Election 2024

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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months


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This is my argument usually, that 18-20 voting rates are atrocious, 16 year olds won't be much better.

Another problem I have is during the election cycle in 2010 I was still at school and my union loving, Labour voting, teachers when "teaching" about the election could simply not hide their bias and affected a lot of students.

I'd wait until they're out of school personally.


You should have listened to your teachers
 
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I'm watching the newspaper reviews on SKY News, does anyone actually buy a paper anymore or even look at online tabloids?

I will read local news online, but never national papers and I certainly don't buy one nor subscribe to any.
 
I'm watching the newspaper reviews on SKY News, does anyone actually buy a paper anymore or even look at online tabloids?

I will read local news online, but never national papers and I certainly don't buy one nor subscribe to any.

Nope can't even remember the last time I bought a paper.

I get mine from the telly and radio.

Radio in the car into work in the morning.

BBC, ITV, Sky, Ch4 mainly on telly.
 
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OK, I'd take a compromise. If they're in the army they can vote. If they're not, they have to wait until they're 18. (also important to note, they can't be on armed operations when under 18- so it's not like we had 16 year olds dying in Afghanistan in large numbers)

Most 16 year olds are not productive members of society (the whole point of the tax comment) and yes, even tourists pay taxes, but not in an important way. 16 year olds are (mostly) dependent upon their parents still and they have zero experience or knowledge to base voting upon. I have a 15(about to turn 16) year old and a 17 year old and I know all their friends. They're not at an age where they could/or should be expected to vote responsibly.

There is no benefit to the country or to 16 year olds to give them the vote. It's not like there is no-one looking out for their interests, they're still dependent on their parents (most of them) and their parents will still be voting on their families' interests. They're not an overlooked minority denied a vote- they're just kids. (and that's not me being dismissive, that's the UK legal definition of a child, anyone under 18)

I agree, those damn kids can't vote.

I would also ban the 65+ from voting too as they are a drain on society and shouldn't deserve the vote either <whistle>
 
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I agree, those damn kids can't vote.

I would also ban the 65+ from voting too as they are a drain on society and shouldn't deserve the vote either <whistle>

I didn't call kids a drain on society... But sure don't let the damn old people vote either. :bandit:
 
History, English, Politics, Sociology, Law... it's a wonder we have any Tory voters at all with all those bias teachers.

You can't have voters who are easily influenced around people who can influence them, unless you can assure that the person doesn't show their own personal bias.

Labour voters want younger voters for one simple reason and everyone knows it.

That's reason number 3 why they shouldn't be allowed.
 
You can't have voters who are easily influenced around people who can influence them, unless you can assure that the person doesn't show their own personal bias.

Labour voters want younger voters for one simple reason and everyone knows it.

That's reason number 3 why they shouldn't be allowed.

Mate I don't know what any of that means especially the bit in bold.

The yoof have a sense of idealism bcos they're constantly taught about right and wrong, values such as liberty, equality, independence, fairness etc.

This is what draws them to more left leaning parties. It's not bcos all teachers are going round telling them to vote Labour lol. They're taught the curriculum, ironically set by the government.

At a young age they are influenced far more by their parents on which way to vote than anyone else. And more recently social media.

In my opinion it may be a naive viewpoint at that age but the world would be a better place if we held onto it for longer rather than becoming cynical batards but that's life.
 
You can't have voters who are easily influenced around people who can influence them, unless you can assure that the person doesn't show their own personal bias.

Labour voters want younger voters for one simple reason and everyone knows it.

That's reason number 3 why they shouldn't be allowed.

Hello. Have you seen half the people who are glued to social media and how many people stuck on twitter
 
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Mate I don't know what any of that means especially the bit in bold.

The yoof have a sense of idealism bcos they're constantly taught about right and wrong, values such as liberty, equality, independence, fairness etc.

This is what draws them to more left leaning parties. It's not bcos all teachers are going round telling them to vote Labour lol. They're taught the curriculum, ironically set by the government.

At a young age they are influenced far more by their parents on which way to vote than anyone else. And more recently social media.

In my opinion it may be a naive viewpoint at that age but the world would be a better place if we held onto it for longer rather than becoming cynical batards but that's life.

Anybody who studies Sociology and learns about Emile Durkheim, Max Weber, Auguste Comte, Karl Marx, Michel Foucault etc and how labour, capital, the state and the bourgeoise interact, would understand how the system is rigged for the wealthy. I would expect them to make their own mind up about how to vote (or not at all) after assimilating that.
 
Anybody who studies Sociology and learns about Emile Durkheim, Max Weber, Auguste Comte, Karl Marx, Michel Foucault etc and how labour, capital, the state and the bourgeoise interact, would understand how the system is rigged for the wealthy. I would expect them to make their own mind up about how to vote (or not at all) after assimilating that.

I should have done something like that. Did a real degree I rarely use instead.
 
I should have done something like that. Did a real degree I rarely use instead.

I also did a real degree that I rarely use lol. I'm from that generation where we were told, get a university education and you'll get a good job with a big salary for life.

Was obvs a joke that nobody understood the punchline.
 
I also did a real degree that I rarely use lol. I'm from that generation where we were told, get a university education and you'll get a good job with a big salary for life.

Was obvs a joke that nobody understood the punchline.

The Ted Heath days were wild.