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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months

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brb said:
While I agree absolutely with your rational here, my thinking is but it's the child that suffers, a child that didn't ask to be brought into this world, a child that is not to blame for the ways of its parents...a child that if taken into care would cost the state far more money than any benefit.

Taking all of the above in mind, so what do we do then, when the child is not getting fed properly, prosecute the parents, could do but that will also cost the state again. We know parents are using foodbanks, something that never existed when I was young, you just went hungry.

I'm open to all thinking on this topic, but sometimes words on the internet are easier than reality. I suppose the underlying thing here is setting standards in life, absolutely along the lines you have stated, I think this is where free school meals come in, it was my life saver as a kid.

Also with the size of foodbanks now and their regularity of use, what research has been done into these environments, to establish why people are there, because unless we have the correct data, we can't fix it.

It feels to me and maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like they've been normalised (foodbanks), how can that happen in a caring society.

Lots in there and I wouldn't even know where to begin to resolve the problems, but I feel like all of us are qualified on life experiences, but until we rid ourselves of whatever is deemed child poverty, then we can only all down our heads in shame.
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Maybe keep the cap but have government run kitchens for means tested kids. To be honest you could say that about anything really? What about the immigrants who come here and have kids abroad? Do we generally think parents who have too many kids are going to feed their kids properly? All a bit conundrum but yeah its the kids you have to feel sorry for.
 
Thinking about it what about the poor kids who are born because now sharon can have more kids, pocket the extra money to get herself a holiday whilst little ryan has to fend for himself at home with his 8 brothers and sisters
 
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Star of David Bardsley said:
My serious idea would be UBI or Universal Basic Income for brb. Would, as always, put a high tax burden on higher earners but takes a lot of the massive admin cost out of the equation.

Also a small thing that could be tweaked is peak rail fares which are a huge hindrance to people bettering themselves and impact almost entirely working people. It’s something like £55 for a peak return from here to London now. I think if you can prove you’re commuting you should be able to claim the difference from an off peak ticket back.

Also an even smaller thing, if I’m getting the 6am train that’s not ****ing peak time because I’m one of the few ****s on it so peak services should be trains getting into major cities 8-10 or something.
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No ubi is ridiculous. The admin cost is trivial compared to benefits.

Ubi of 5000 quid each (including children presumably) is like 300 billion and people cant live off of 5000 quid
 
brb said:
@BobbyD 36 people killed and many more missing in fire at Hong Kong apartment blocks, seen the pictures and it looks awful, well ablaze.
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Yeah. The hk grenfell. Good luck for those involved. Unfortunately one of those things. The higher you build and all. Hard one to analyse, people need to live but at the same time how much health and safety do you go through.

Would we want more affordable housing for a more lax build? Not sure what is the cause but the bamboo scaffolding deffo cannot help
 
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BobbyD said:
Yeah. The hk grenfell. Good luck for those involved. Unfortunately one of those things. The higher you build and all. Hard one to analyse, people need to live but at the same time how much health and safety do you go through.

Would we want more affordable housing for a more lax build? Not sure what is the cause but the bamboo scaffolding deffo cannot help
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First thing I thought was Grenfell, but multiple Grenfells looking at the number of buildings involved, truly awful tragedy for those who live there.
 
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brb said:
First thing I thought was Grenfell, but multiple Grenfells looking at the number of buildings involved, truly awful tragedy for those who live there.
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Really awful. I guess the consolation here is the fire alarms i think went off and in the afternoon more people could get out from hearing the number that were injured,/killed.

Grenfell happened in the middle of the night.

I was listening to some lady who said she had her dog in there and she sounded heartbroken as all the residents are i am sure
 
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Two National Guard shot near to the White House....this will be from Trump boasting yesterday about how safe he'd made Washington DC and how there had been no murders.
 
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500 additional National Guard are being sent to Washington DC on Trumps request.

Get the popcorn ready guys.
 
Star of David Bardsley said:
You’re ridiculous.
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isn't that UBI, everyone gets the same amount paid out irrespective of income to live off that way you don't have to administer who gets what means tested.

you are right though, theres closer to 70 million people than 60 so thats 350 billion a year on UBI.

1.4 trillion if we want to dole out 20k each to allow people to live properly
 
BobbyD said:
isn't that UBI, everyone gets the same amount paid out irrespective of income to live off that way you don't have to administer who gets what means tested.

you are right though, theres closer to 70 million people than 60 so thats 350 billion a year on UBI.

1.4 trillion if we want to dole out 20k each to allow people to live properly
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Well we'll have to do something when AI ensures that none of us have jobs
 
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Apparantly no fire alarms as they were disabled (fake news bobby from before) and maybe the most flammable items were the green nets wrapped round the building and the styrofoam they use to seal off the windows.

A lot of bodies missing...
 
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BobbyD said:
Apparantly no fire alarms as they were disabled (fake news bobby from before) and maybe the most flammable items were the green nets wrapped round the building and the styrofoam they use to seal off the windows.

A lot of bodies missing...
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I had heard yesterday on the news that it was reported via residents that there were no fire alarms sounding, but didn't want to contradict what you said in case I heard wrong or as you say, it was fake news. Just the absolute scale of this disaster is mind boggling.
 
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Net migration way down. Good news for the Stop the Boaters except asylum numbers are pretty steady and we’re reducing people here to work and study i.e. useful and emigration is up. Makes for a headline though.
 
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Star of David Bardsley said:
Net migration way down. Good news for the Stop the Boaters except asylum numbers are pretty steady and we’re reducing people here to work and study i.e. useful and emigration is up. Makes for a headline though.
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Media not interested in that, they have Keir on the BBQ today over wanting to feed kids, strange world.
 
I'm surprised Starmer aint told Beth Rigby to **** off by now. <laugh>

Edit: In fairness Beth just credited him with holding his argument and putting his weight behind the wheel.
 
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