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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months


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I think Kurta's look quite nice, that just looks a monstrosity. I think there's just something so wrong having your football team design on a designer luxury garment.

As my own team has gone with an outrageous second and third team kit, I was thinking of adopting this one as the first team kit, our lot don't do much running so the length shouldn't be a problem...

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They’ve made it ridiculously expensive to hire someone for an entry-level job who isn’t going to be worth the money they’re being paid for a period time.

They could subsidise that by reducing/removing employer NI up to a certain age or subsidising a wage for a year or something if they aren’t going to reduce the minimum wage which they never will.

yeah i was discussing this with a colleague the other day.

Who in their right mind would pay 22k for a fresh unproven untrain kid when they could probably pay someone 25k who has had experience and would need less training.

It's a sad thing to think about but it doesn't make it less true. As a hiring manager it means less hassle and less chance of needing to spend more money hiring someone new if it doesn't work out.
 
yeah i was discussing this with a colleague the other day.

Who in their right mind would pay 22k for a fresh unproven untrain kid when they could probably pay someone 25k who has had experience and would need less training.

It's a sad thing to think about but it doesn't make it less true. As a hiring manager it means less hassle and less chance of needing to spend more money hiring someone new if it doesn't work out.
 
Don't know how any political party hasn't seen this coming. You can't keep doing away with humans for technology without consequences, and no one is ever interested in stopping it happening. All they are interested in is more profit by doing away with human labour. They've even got robots these days cleaning supermarket floors lol.
 
Don't know how any political party hasn't seen this coming. You can't keep doing away with humans for technology without consequences, and no one is ever interested in stopping it happening. All they are interested in is more profit by doing away with human labour. They've even got robots these days cleaning supermarket floors lol.
Mate, regardless of what party is in,everything they do seems to be for the short term and what makes them and their kind as much money as possible during their tenure. **** the consequences for the future and the working class.
 
well the expansion of 18 year olds going to university has and still is a disastrous policy for both them and the country . Sooner we stop financing so many the better as all we are doing is wasting 3 years of their lives to get a degree which often means very little while leaving future generations to pick up the tab as a large percentage of students will never repay their debt .

True Labour wanted a new 'electoral broodmare' caste ,
most of whom would be employed in the state sector
doing "adult daycare" jobs but with the "indentured
servitude" of their debt.

Once the energy grid problem is solved for LLMs,
those jobs are going to be obliterated.
 
Don't know how any political party hasn't seen this coming. You can't keep doing away with humans for technology without consequences, and no one is ever interested in stopping it happening. All they are interested in is more profit by doing away with human labour. They've even got robots these days cleaning supermarket floors lol.

As an undergrad I was taught by the late great
Manny Lehman, in the "Computing management" course.

The thing he repeatedly stated, that remained with
me throughout my professional life :

People NEED to FEEL that they CONTRIBUTE.
 
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Mate, regardless of what party is in,everything they do seems to be for the short term and what makes them and their kind as much money as possible during their tenure. **** the consequences for the future and the working class.

There are a few reasons for this but primarily it's because all our politicians are educated the same way, by the same people and follow the same rules as one another.

When you start going to school to be taught exactly what politics is, how economics should work, etc etc, how can you suddenly think outside of the box? It's going to take a real forward ****ing thinker to come up with a solution to anything because no one is taught anything different.

Then you have the fact that becoming an MP is one of the toughest job interviews possible AND you're expected to have a high as possible education all for ****ter pay than you'd get at any bank then you also have a demotivated political class.

Take Reform, for all their pointless bluster, they're just bog standard Tory Thatcherites. They aren't suggesting anything different than anyone else, they just do it angrier than the others.

The Green party just do the usual shout from the backbenches **** suggesting ridiculous nonsense that will never ever get them elected.

It's even worse in the devolved parliaments were **** politicians go to die.
 
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As an undergrad I was taught by the late great
Manny Lehman, in the "Computing management" course.

The thing he repeatedly stated, that remained with
me throughout my professional life :

People NEED to FEEL that they CONTRIBUTE.
He's right, people need to feel life has a purpose and gives them hope, contribution towards whatever they hope to achieve or aspire to.

Even at my age I still set myself small goals, private ones that mean something to me personally. if I don't achieve them it means I died lol.. soz but that's just my sense of humour.

The minimum wage is of no use to anyone if there isn't a job to go to. Sadly I really don't think Rachel Reeves understands that and never will due to her own financial stability in life, it's just impossible for her to understand.
 
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Mate, regardless of what party is in,everything they do seems to be for the short term and what makes them and their kind as much money as possible during their tenure. **** the consequences for the future and the working class.

I think there are a number of genuine politicians who do care and do want to make a difference, but the speed at which this technology is developing is beyond all but the tech-elite, most of which aren't based in this country and don't give two hoots about politics because they are already to big to hurt.

I can only comment on what I see and hear around London these days, but the mood on the street is to make enough money to get out of the UK and move somewhere with less tax, more sun and better food. And the ultra mega wealthy seem to now be contemplating life away from Earth entirely. In fact I'm convinced this is what Musk is now focusing on.
 
I think there are a number of genuine politicians who do care and do want to make a difference, but the speed at which this technology is developing is beyond all but the tech-elite, most of which aren't based in this country and don't give two hoots about politics because they are already to big to hurt.

I can only comment on what I see and hear around London these days, but the mood on the street is to make enough money to get out of the UK and move somewhere with less tax, more sun and better food. And the ultra mega wealthy seem to now be contemplating life away from Earth entirely. In fact I'm convinced this is what Musk is now focusing on.
I'm certain that there are people who want to go into politics to make a difference but sadly they're not part of the silver spoon brigade, consequently dont get anywhere, get kept down. No matter how much they try to convince us, multi millionaires dont have any empathy with the working class and see the middle class and working class who try to create something for themselves as a tax pay day, rather than fairer taxes for all they give endless tax breaks to the multi nationals.
With regard to people wanting to leave for a better life elsewhere, yes there's a lot of evidence of that these parts too. Not a fan of Rupert Lowe but agree with his comments on a fairer tax to stop young entrepreneurs and professional people leaving for other shores.
I was talking to a father and son a while back who emigrated to Australia about 20 years ago, they actually pay slightly more income tax but don't begrudge it as they see where it goes, also no national insurance but 2% of their wage goes to their health service, which they say as a few problems but nothing in comparison to ours, one of the 2 actually worked here and works there in the health service. A comment they made, any time they come back, they see things here getting worse every time and wouldn't even contemplate coming home, their quality of life there is so much better.
 
I'm certain that there are people who want to go into politics to make a difference but sadly they're not part of the silver spoon brigade, consequently dont get anywhere, get kept down. No matter how much they try to convince us, multi millionaires dont have any empathy with the working class and see the middle class and working class who try to create something for themselves as a tax pay day, rather than fairer taxes for all they give endless tax breaks to the multi nationals.
With regard to people wanting to leave for a better life elsewhere, yes there's a lot of evidence of that these parts too. Not a fan of Rupert Lowe but agree with his comments on a fairer tax to stop young entrepreneurs and professional people leaving for other shores.
I was talking to a father and son a while back who emigrated to Australia about 20 years ago, they actually pay slightly more income tax but don't begrudge it as they see where it goes, also no national insurance but 2% of their wage goes to their health service, which they say as a few problems but nothing in comparison to ours, one of the 2 actually worked here and works there in the health service. A comment they made, any time they come back, they see things here getting worse every time and wouldn't even contemplate coming home, their quality of life there is so much better.

You only have to look at the difference in the way that Angela Raynor was treated for messing up her stamp duty and Farage for taking a £5m bung from a crytpo boss to see how working class politicians are treated.

It was the same with Corbyn, those that were afraid of what he stood for absolutely made sure he was destroyed by the media. They had him as a communist, terrorist loving old nut job who would crash the economy and leave us open to Russian interference

que.... Boris, the Lettuce and and co
 
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I'm certain that there are people who want to go into politics to make a difference but sadly they're not part of the silver spoon brigade, consequently dont get anywhere, get kept down. No matter how much they try to convince us, multi millionaires dont have any empathy with the working class and see the middle class and working class who try to create something for themselves as a tax pay day, rather than fairer taxes for all they give endless tax breaks to the multi nationals.
With regard to people wanting to leave for a better life elsewhere, yes there's a lot of evidence of that these parts too. Not a fan of Rupert Lowe but agree with his comments on a fairer tax to stop young entrepreneurs and professional people leaving for other shores.
I was talking to a father and son a while back who emigrated to Australia about 20 years ago, they actually pay slightly more income tax but don't begrudge it as they see where it goes, also no national insurance but 2% of their wage goes to their health service, which they say as a few problems but nothing in comparison to ours, one of the 2 actually worked here and works there in the health service. A comment they made, any time they come back, they see things here getting worse every time and wouldn't even contemplate coming home, their quality of life there is so much better.

It's actually quite sad when you think about it. Watching the slow demise of a once respected (albeit despised) and innovative nation.

Thatcher started the process of converting an industry economy into a service economy. Blair - who by the way judging by his pathetic open piece about Labour is still a colossal prick who doesn't understand the damage he did - then took the worst of Thatcherism and combined it with the worst of socialism, and basically set this country on a downward path from which it is impossible to escape: a service economy combined with a welfare state.

Although some might argue with plenty of credibility that we've been screwed since the war ended, we just didn't know it at the time.

Either way, a service economy is far easier to automate than an industry economy, not least of all because the health and safety risks are exponentially lower. Having a machine accidentally scan a lettuce as a cabbage is a picnic compared to a molten steel ladle collapsing.

The only path forward is to embrace tech, which we are doing. But we don't have the land mass (like the USA) or rare metals (like China) to ever be more than a minnow in that market.

I know it's all quite depressing but honestly? Last one out, turn off the lights.
 
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Sturgeon looking like she's been taking a few acting lessons, not very convincing though.
Thing is for me when does incompetence become criminal negligence. I see the sexist card has been played. When you are in a position of power / authority comes a level of competence within that job, saying you didn't notice the Motorhome or Jaguar don't really cut it with me, especially when you've previously dismissed financial leak questions by the media, her home even had some of the products bought via financial theft.

I've seen things that suggest a woman might not notice the Jag or Motorhome or make any relation to it, you what, are you ****ing blind, you want in to a mans world, you want equal opportunities, you don't want to be seen as the weaker imcompetent sex, but you just destroyed the fight that women had made to get to your sort of position. She was even acting treasurer for four days, so you was fully aware of the guy that walked away from the job, while people were trying to be dismissive of him.

If I work in a financial institution and someone transfers nigh on half a million quid on my watch, and I don't notice it, I have failed at my job. It does not matter that I did not do the crime, it does not matter I didn't see them do it, my job is to protect the institution I work for, and she failed. What makes this more stick in the throat, the evidence was all around her, in plain site, even a ****ing refuse collector notices if the green bin has been left out this week instead of the blue bin.

She's a ****ing disgrace and no amount of self pity will make this go away. Being oblivious to the crime is not a defence it was your place as First Minister, Acting Treasurer, Leader of the SNP, MARRIED to the CEO of the SNP to know everything that goes on, and when it goes tits up you take responsibility, especially when your old man is the actual criminal. If you want to act like a Cranky **** off to a side show, people are actually trying to run a country not your old mans own private criminal enterprise. Like I say with a lot of high level crime, justice should not just stop at the perpetrator - it might help people learn to ask the right questions.
 
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Thing is for me when does incompetence become criminal negligence. I see the sexist card has been played. When you are in a position of power / authority comes a level of competence within that job, saying you didn't notice the Motorhome or Jaguar don't really cut it with me, especially when you've previously dismissed financial leak questions by the media, her home even had some of the products bought via financial theft.

I've seen things that suggest a woman might not notice the Jag or Motorhome or make any relation to it, you what, are you ****ing blind, you want in to a mans world, you want equal opportunities, you don't want to be seen as the weaker imcompetent sex, but you just destroyed the fight that women had made to get to your sort of position. She was even acting treasurer for four days, so you was fully aware of the guy that walked away from the job, while people were trying to be dismissive of him.

If I work in a financial institution and someone transfers nigh on half a million quid on my watch, and I don't notice it, I have failed at my job. It does not matter that I did not do the crime, it does not matter I didn't see them do it, my job is to protect the institution I work for, and she failed. What makes this more stick in the throat, the evidence was all around her, in plain site, even a ****ing refuse collector notices if the green bin has been left out this week instead of the blue bin.

She's a ****ing disgrace and no amount of self pity will make this go away. Being oblivious to the crime is not a defence it was your place as First Minister, Acting Treasurer, Leader of the SNP, MARRIED to the CEO of the SNP to know everything that goes on, and when it goes tits up you take responsibility, especially when your old man is the actual criminal. If you want to act like a Cranky **** off to a side show, people are actually trying to run a country not your old mans own private criminal enterprise. Like I say with a lot of high level crime, justice should not just stop at the perpetrator - it might help people learn to ask the right questions.

She portrayed herself as this strong no nonsense, fully in control woman, working 18 hours a day and all the bollocks that go with it. Like many I know what my wife earns, she knows what I fiddle. If I go back and as a surprise buy her a necklace a couple of hours after she's fallen for it in it a jewelers, im getting the best husband in the world award. If I turn up with a £125k motor home on the drive, I'm getting how ****ing much are you fiddling.
 
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She portrayed herself as this strong no nonsense woman, working 18 hours a day and all the bollocks that go with it. Like many I know what my wife earns, she knows what I fiddle. If I go back and as a surprise buy her a necklace a couple of hours after she's fallen for it in it a jewelers, im getting the best husband in the world award. If I turn up with a £125k motor home on the drive, I'm getting how ****ing much are you fiddling.
I've not seen it mentioned in the news over all this, but 2021 was also significant for other reasons as well, because that is when Sturgeon was found to have misled Scottish Parliament over Salmond, and even then cleared of 'knowingly' doing so, for someone so high up in power, she didn't seem to know very much about anything.


Close ally of Salmond, married to Murrell, seems the men closest to her can't be trusted.
 
She portrayed herself as this strong no nonsense, fully in control woman, working 18 hours a day and all the bollocks that go with it. Like many I know what my wife earns, she knows what I fiddle. If I go back and as a surprise buy her a necklace a couple of hours after she's fallen for it in it a jewelers, im getting the best husband in the world award. If I turn up with a £125k motor home on the drive, I'm getting how ****ing much are you fiddling.
Just tell her it was in the middle isle in Lidl
 
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