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highburyal said:
I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone! Nor do other religious or otherwise people need to prove anything, that's the reality.
You have a bee in you're bonnet about immigrants and Muslims that's not anyone else's problem to be honest, you either live with the world as is or you are going to be a very secluded person indeed.
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Where have I mentioned immigrants? That's just desperate evasion.
 
highburyal said:
I agree with you there, although I would say questioning isn't a bad thing but it becomes a irritant when you know the person has no intention of understanding but to try a mock and when that doesn't work resorts to abuse and that is not normal behaviour and this goes to all party.
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That's not what I meant, al. Yes, to question is reasonable, but once the explanation has been given according to the beliefs of the faith, that should then be accepted. If you choose not to believe yourself, ok. But you don't keep on attacking a person's faith.

How are you meant to absolutely 'prove' any of this, anyway? It's your faith, the clue is in the word, faith!....
 
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highburyal said:
I agree with you there, although I would say questioning isn't a bad thing but it becomes a irritant when you know the person has no intention of understanding but to try a mock and when that doesn't work resorts to abuse and that is not normal behaviour and this goes to all party.
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I haven't mocked. If you feel that it's simply because you possibly see thecweakNess of your argument, so desperately try to create an alternative version of the discussion.

Over and above that, nothing is above ridicule , especially if it's ridiculous.

A ook designed to clarify, that doesn't do that, seems lacking in it's claim as being from an almighty.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
That's not what I meant, al. Yes, to question is reasonable, but once the explanation has been given according to the beliefs of the faith, that should then be accepted. If you choose not to believe yourself, ok. But you don't keep on attacking a person's faith.

How are you meant to absolutely 'prove' any of this, anyway? It's your faith, the clue is in the word, faith!....
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Saying 'I believe it's true' is an evasion, not an answer.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I haven't mocked. If you feel that it's simply because you possibly see thecweakNess of your argument, so desperately try to create an alternative version of the discussion.

Over and above that, nothing is above ridicule , especially if it's ridiculous.

A ook designed to clarify, that doesn't do that, seems lacking in it's claim as being from an almighty.
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He's not made an 'argument' he's merely answered the questions that you asked him about aspects of Islam.

He wasn't asking you to either accept or believe what was put forward, neither was he trying to justify his own beliefs.

Your angle here has been obvious from the start, hiding behind a pretence of 'wishing to be informed' when the reality was you wanted to try and 'prove' it was poppycock by trying to highlight inconsistencies and potential contradictions (as you saw them), and in doing so undermine his faith.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I haven't mocked. If you feel that it's simply because you possibly see thecweakNess of your argument, so desperately try to create an alternative version of the discussion.

Over and above that, nothing is above ridicule , especially if it's ridiculous.

A ook designed to clarify, that doesn't do that, seems lacking in it's claim as being from an almighty.
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Actually i havent mademan argument with you at all, you came with questions and so called contradictions and put you straight on that since you have come back a few more points but what seems odd is that you seem to disregard anything thats from islamic perspective but want me to give you a full explanation but i dont see the point of that when its already there and is from recognised source for majority of the muslims.

All you seem to quote is the propaganda channels and sites like memritv and fringe groups.

I haven't been ducking and diving from one discussion to another before concluding thats been you throughout.

I dont find it ridiculous but you do and i cant be held responsible if you can't grasp the notion or explanation.

Qur’an is a book of guidance and i can only give you the information thats there and if you believe thats not good enough thats fine. I dont have an issue that, "you to your way me to mine".
 
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Tobes said:
He's not made an 'argument' he's merely answered the questions that you asked him about aspects of Islam.

He wasn't asking you to either accept or believe what was put forward, neither was he trying to justify his own beliefs.

Your angle here has been obvious from the start, hiding behind a pretence of 'wishing to be informed' when the reality was you wanted to try and 'prove' it was poppycock by trying to highlight inconsistencies and potential contradictions (as you saw them), and in doing so undermine his faith.
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Wrong. He dismissed muslim scholars that disagreed with his understanding. Do we believe scholars, or a random bod on a football message board?
 
highburyal said:
Actually i havent mademan argument with you at all, you came with questions and so called contradictions and put you straight on that since you have come back a few more points but what seems odd is that you seem to disregard anything thats from islamic perspective but want me to give you a full explanation but i dont see the point of that when its already there and is from recognised source for majority of the muslims.

All you seem to quote is the propaganda channels and sites like memritv and fringe groups.

I haven't been ducking and diving from one discussion to another before concluding thats been you throughout.

I dont find it ridiculous but you do and i cant be held responsible if you can't grasp the notion or explanation.

Qur’an is a book of guidance and i can only give you the information thats there and if you believe thats not good enough thats fine. I dont have an issue that, "you to your way me to mine".
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You haven't put me right. You'be simply avoided the key questions and tried to play the offended victim.

You choose different interpretations, but offer little if anything to support those views. The fact the the different interpretations exist seem to point to it not being the word of God, designed to clarify.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Talking of sad, not to mention terminally thick, ****wits, which party of the word faith are you struggling with?....
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You obviously haven't grasped the debate.
The koran's claims shouldn't need faith. The fact they do hints they're not the word of some omnipotent.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
**** me! You are as persistent as you are stupid!!...

It's their ****ing faith, ffs!!....they don't need to justify any part of it to you!...
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It's you being stupid. I know full well they have 'faith'. That's not the discussion you tedious **** wit.
 
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