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"Greengrocers" is a group of greengrocers; "greengrocer's" belongs to the greengrocer; "greengrocers'" belongs to a group of greengrocers; a greengrocer is the person who sells your groceries. Presuming your greengrocer's establishment is independent and not franchised by a group of greengrocers who call their shops "Greengrocers'", I'd be inclined to refer to my greengrocer's premises as a greengrocer's. Cue the grammar Nazis.

I'd agree. You're going to a shop belonging to a greengrocer, therefore, it's the greengrocer's. It could be the same premise as, instead of saying "come to my house", you'd say "come to mine", and when speaking about third parties, "Let's go to Rickie's." "I left it at Kelvin's." rather than "Let's go to Rickies" or "I left it at Kelvins" - the house belongs to them, so is Rickie's/Kelvin's, similar to the establishment of the greengrocer. Unless the shop is owned and run by more than one greengrocer, when it may be greengrocers'...
 
The lovely Mrs hotbovril is Polish. Now I'm none too shabby at picking up languages but Polish is simply incomprehensible to me. Any language which regularly interposes two consonants with a third is one which my brain seems to rebel against. However, I now need to learn at least a smattering as I am shortly attending her brother's wedding in Poland and have no desire to explain why we have been together for nearly a decade yet I haven't had the inclination to learn even a few basic phrases. I was chatting to my Dad about how hard it is to pick up and he pointed out that by far the most difficult language to learn is our very own English, not only because of its complex origins but also because of our tendency towards using words which sound exactly the same but which have different spellings (your, there etc) and for using the same word for multiple meanings. He then advised me to look up the word "up" in the dictionary. Sure enough, it can be a noun, verb, adverb, preposition or adjective. Maybe Polish will be a doddle after all!

Oh and Jamie Redknapp is literally a waste of skin.
 
Not really, at least not from me.

I know there are a couple of posters on here who like to play with words, and I do as well, if in a very limited way. The thing I like to do is occasionally introduce a rarely used word and see if it gets taken up by others. I will also use less common words in conversation, not to appear clever [because one person did suggest that a time back], but to resurrect the word to see if it can fly again. An example is the word Singular. If you hear Billy Connolly, he will always talk about extraordinary things. Things are extraordinary to him. One jump back from extraordinary, is perhaps singular. So I tried using it. It didn't catch on. ;)

One word that did catch on, and I'm claiming it, is Excellent, as in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. In the late 1970's a mate and me used to play these kind of word games and we'd use words in a pub to see if they'd catch on. A bit like I still do. We used excellent for eveything. How are you..? I'm excellent..! What's she like..? She's excellent..! How was riding the bike..? That was excellent..! Pretty soon [about 6 months], everywhere we went, people were using the word just like we did, so we dropped it to see if it would fly by itself. Then a mutual friend of ours, who was now using it a lot, went over to the USA. Pretty soon he got everyone he met up with using it over there. Years later, it returned with Bill & Ted. You'll notice the way they say excellent..? Although it was slightly americanised, that was exactly the way we pronounced it. Started by my mate and me, in The Cowherds pub.

My team at work like to pick a word or two that I have to use in daily conference calls - I got googleplex and veritable today, but managed to slip them in.
 
The lovely Mrs hotbovril is Polish. Now I'm none too shabby at picking up languages but Polish is simply incomprehensible to me. Any language which regularly interposes two consonants with a third is one which my brain seems to rebel against. However, I now need to learn at least a smattering as I am shortly attending her brother's wedding in Poland and have no desire to explain why we have been together for nearly a decade yet I haven't had the inclination to learn even a few basic phrases. I was chatting to my Dad about how hard it is to pick up and he pointed out that by far the most difficult language to learn is our very own English, not only because of its complex origins but also because of our tendency towards using words which sound exactly the same but which have different spellings (your, there etc) and for using the same word for multiple meanings. He then advised me to look up the word "up" in the dictionary. Sure enough, it can be a noun, verb, adverb, preposition or adjective. Maybe Polish will be a doddle after all!

Oh and Jamie Redknapp is literally a waste of skin.

Apparently Finnish and Hungarian are even harder to learn than English, according to somebody I know with an impresive 6 languages (fluently) in her arsenal - English not being her native!
 
Apparently Finnish and Hungarian are even harder to learn than English, according to somebody I know with an impresive 6 languages (fluently) in her arsenal - English not being her native!

So your advice would be to stick with the current lovely Mrs hotbovril then Dan? :smiley-finger007:
 
The lovely Mrs hotbovril is Polish. Now I'm none too shabby at picking up languages but Polish is simply incomprehensible to me. Any language which regularly interposes two consonants with a third is one which my brain seems to rebel against. However, I now need to learn at least a smattering as I am shortly attending her brother's wedding in Poland and have no desire to explain why we have been together for nearly a decade yet I haven't had the inclination to learn even a few basic phrases. I was chatting to my Dad about how hard it is to pick up and he pointed out that by far the most difficult language to learn is our very own English, not only because of its complex origins but also because of our tendency towards using words which sound exactly the same but which have different spellings (your, there etc) and for using the same word for multiple meanings. He then advised me to look up the word "up" in the dictionary. Sure enough, it can be a noun, verb, adverb, preposition or adjective. Maybe Polish will be a doddle after all!

Oh and Jamie Redknapp is literally a waste of skin.

Lots of ZZZZZZZZs at bedtime then?
 
This can be turned into a bit of Grammar Nazi fun by purposefully using the wrong one in sentences where the mistake would not normally be made:
"I have fewer beer than you."

I remember one day there was some discussion about GC and how we might "get less Trolls on the site."

Initially I thought that it should be fewer Trolls, but upon reflection decided that the best way to measure internet Trolls was by weight.<laugh>
 

Precisely. If Labour weren't so out of touch right now, they'd realise that all they need to do to win everyone over is elect a leader who doesn't talk like that. Someone who sounds like Ray Winstone would be perfect.
 
Precisely. If Labour weren't so out of touch right now, they'd realise that all they need to do to win everyone over is elect a leader who doesn't talk like that. Someone who sounds like Ray Winstone would be perfect.

Or they can go for the bound-to-succeed plan of pointing out how the Tories are guiding us back into recession but sticking relentlessly to their plan of "rob the poor, the old, the students, and the north, and then the poor again" isn't actually working (very over simplified I know, but I ****ing hate George Osbourne)