Does Bruce have any support now

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RedNWhite4Life said:
Yes i still maintain a support in him because he is the manager of our ****ing club. In my opinion there has been a massive over-reaction to 1 game the Newcastle game. If we had beaten the skunks nobody would give 2 flying ****s about the game last night. You simply cant sack a manger after 2 league games and a cup game. There are still 36 games to play plus the F.A. cup which is a much more prestigious cup than the league cup. Im pretty sure exactly one week ago we were all saying that Bruce was doing a good job after the summer signings and the point at Liverpool. But one week and two games later we want the ****er hanged, drawn and quartered.

Bruce should in my opinion be given till the end of the season minimum, unless we are in the bottom 3 come christmas, then it will be time to get rid before its too late. I honestly think some fans need to get down off there high horse. I know the derby game hurts like hell and it will do for months but it aint the be all and end all of the season. If we finish top 10 again and again ahead of the mags weve had a succesful season. Hell we may even sign another couple of players before the end of the window and fans will be happy again.

By the way I am ready for the barage of **** thats about to come my way.
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I personally defended him after the derby mate, the team selection last night unquestionably screamed desperation, and a lack of any sort of direction, IMO.
 
I agree tthe team last night was baffling but feel Bruce wanted a solid 5 man midfield and felt neither Gyan, Whickham or Ji had got there fingers out of there arses yet this season enough to play them so felt Sess was a better option. This could be a massive kick up the arse to Gyan and one that he definately needs.
 
RedNWhite4Life said:
I agree tthe team last night was baffling but feel Bruce wanted a solid 5 man midfield and felt neither Gyan, Whickham or Ji had got there fingers out of there arses yet this season enough to play them so felt Sess was a better option. This could be a massive kick up the arse to Gyan and one that he definately needs.
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Let's say that's the case, why say prior to kick of that Gyan 'needs game time to get his sharpness up'.

I'm not out to vilify Bruce mate, i have backed him through till last night, if you look, it was pre-game when i saw the team that he lost my support, it's not knee jerk to a bad result, it's the acumilative effect of a thousand mind boggling and tactically inept team selections, both starting line up, and in play.
 
RedNWhite4Life said:
I agree tthe team last night was baffling but feel Bruce wanted a solid 5 man midfield and felt neither Gyan, Whickham or Ji had got there fingers out of there arses yet this season enough to play them so felt Sess was a better option. This could be a massive kick up the arse to Gyan and one that he definately needs.
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Let's say that's the case, why say prior to kick of that Gyan 'needs game time to get his sharpness up'.

I'm not out to vilify Bruce mate, i have backed him through till last night, if you look, it was pre-game when i saw the team that he lost my support, it's not knee jerk to a bad result, it's the acumilative effect of a thousand mind boggling and tactically inept team selections, both starting line up, and in play.
 
Bruceys Beak said:
RAW,

It's not a knee jerk reaction to a tough away fixture in my book.

It's a fully justified reaction to 5 wins in 31 games, millions spend and a still unbalanced side, and starting a game with a 5ft 6 in midfielder up front on his own and launching diagonal balls.

This isn't knee jerk, more like the straw that finished the camel.

We could rewind further and look at the previous seasons 14 game slump, or go back to his last season at Wigan where 9th at Christman becames 5th bottom and skin of teeth survival.

We could look at signing good players and either not playing them, or playing them woefully out of position, we could point to the damage to an £8million teenagers confidence being overlooked for a flood of midfielders, only 3 of which are capable of goalscoring.

The evidence is damning, this is not based on last nights game.
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All very reasonable BB, but he should have been dismissed at the end of the season, if at all. Now, given the complete overhaul that he has overseen, he has to be given at least until January, surely? What was the point in the board backing all the changes otherwise?
 
Bruceys Beak said:
Let's say that's the case, why say prior to kick of that Gyan 'needs game time to get his sharpness up'.

I'm not out to vilify Bruce mate, i have backed him through till last night, if you look, it was pre-game when i saw the team that he lost my support, it's not knee jerk to a bad result, it's the acumilative effect of a thousand mind boggling and tactically inept team selections, both starting line up, and in play.
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I agree that there have been several decisions and team selections from Bruce which have been truely baffling. I would have left Gyan out last night as he was garbage in the derby but still i would have started Whickham or Ji. My concern is we are putting a lot of faith in Gyan this season and apart from a few moments of magic I dont think he has done much for us since we signed him. My initial point was its only 2 games in and people are wanting him gone which is basically madness. There is still a week of the window left also so we could still bring someone else in.
 
Wherewereyou said:
All very reasonable BB, but he should have been dismissed at the end of the season, if at all. Now, given the complete overhaul that he has overseen, he has to be given at least until January, surely? What was the point in the board backing all the changes otherwise?
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Mate i'm trying to look at it from all angles, but i can only see a man who signs good players, i can't see a football manager.

We haven't even tapped on the in game substituitions he makes, the 'every man back for a corner' tactic, sadly, i could go on.

I think you lads all know i'm not the irrational, witch hunt, type, but there comes a point when i can't outweight the negatives with positives anymore, unfortunately, as i like Bruce, i just can't do that right now.
 
Bruceys Beak said:
Mate i'm trying to look at it from all angles, but i can only see a man who signs good players, i can't see a football manager.

We haven't even tapped on the in game substituitions he makes, the 'every man back for a corner' tactic, sadly, i could go on.

I think you lads all know i'm not the irrational, witch hunt, type, but there comes a point when i can't outweight the negatives with positives anymore, unfortunately, as i like Bruce, i just can't do that right now.
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You don't have to go on because I agree. I don't rate him, and have stated this many times. I just feel that the timing would be wrong, now. Should have gone in the Summer. He didn't, so he should be given at least until January.
 
Wherewereyou said:
You don't have to go on because I agree. I don't rate him, and have stated this many times. I just feel that the timing would be wrong, now. Should have gone in the Summer. He didn't, so he should be given at least until January.
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Surely if we give him time, it can only be till November, given that we'd need to appoint a new manager, and hope he signed some left footed ****ing players in January!
 
Bruceys Beak said:
Surely if we give him time, it can only be till November, given that we'd need to appoint a new manager, and hope he signed some left footed ****ing players in January!
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It's negotiable!! Now is too soon though, matey.
 
Wherewereyou said:
It's negotiable!! Now is too soon though, matey.
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It possibly (probably) is, but if we don't win on Sat, with Chelsea to come, we are already looking at a sizeable gap to the top half.

I hoped that after a sleep (i sat on here till 4am still in a tailspin), i'd have eased off, but although i've calmed the anger, i just can't find a positive.

Maybe a few San Miguels later will help..
 
Bruceys Beak said:
It possibly (probably) is, but if we don't win on Sat, with Chelsea to come, we are already looking at a sizeable gap to the top half.

I hoped that after a sleep (i sat on here till 4am still in a tailspin), i'd have eased off, but although i've calmed the anger, i just can't find a positive.

Maybe a few San Miguels later will help..
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Probably will help you - so too the thought that at this point in the season a couple of wins puts you right back in there. Not saying we'd get them, mind.
 
Disco said:
I reckon the only downfall is that you cannot play total football with lads like Vaughan and Cattermole in your team.
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I agree. It needs a team of very technical, very creative and very intelligent players.

I'm not having a dig at the likes of Vaughan and Cattermole, as they're good footballers, but creative, technical and highly intelligent football simply isn't their style.

They're clever, don't get me wrong, but successful total football is like a game of chess. The whole team always has to be two steps ahead. They also have to work in harmony so the right player 'becomes' the striker temporarily to get the ball into the net. With Bruce's formation and team selection, everyone was still stuck to their positions, so when the ball came in no one was there.
 
Bruceys Beak said:
Im pretty sure exactly one week ago we were all saying that Bruce was doing a good job after the summer signings and the point at Liverpool. IMO.
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I was surprised we did so well at Anfield, after wasting all the money for henderson and bent on dross. We've replaced quality with quantity. Hopefully it won't end in relegation.
 
I'm by no means a paid up member of the Bruce out brigade, but i've now reached a point where I would not protest if he went either.

I'd also be surprised if Short sanctions anymore transfers this window as I'm sure he is becoming increasingly concerned. It's now very much Bruce's team and the buck must stop with him!!
 
Bruceys Beak said:
Mate i'm trying to look at it from all angles, but i can only see a man who signs good players, i can't see a football manager.

We haven't even tapped on the in game substituitions he makes, the 'every man back for a corner' tactic, sadly, i could go on.

I think you lads all know i'm not the irrational, witch hunt, type, but there comes a point when i can't outweight the negatives with positives anymore, unfortunately, as i like Bruce, i just can't do that right now.
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I am still in the Bruce In camp but only just, the team selection for last night have had more of a negative effect on my opinion than the Newcastle defeat where I believe we were truly unlucky. Last night really wound me up as it was such a good opportunity to play Wickham and Ji and give it a real go. Feel really sorry for 1200 who made the trip.

Swansea is a massive game now, if we don't have a go and end up getting battered by a few clear goals I will be very worried for us.
 
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