Depending on loans

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There seems something fundamentally flawed in depending on loans to me.

Loans are ok for giving options and boosting your squad but to depend on them as first choicers is such an unnecessary gamble, this season and last. Quite apart from the fact that they generally don't stay permanently there's also a reason they are loaned in the first place, they haven't made it where they are. And just because they are from a 'big club' doesn't mean they will do well at a level below either. That may even mean there could be some attitude that they are already at a bigger club and have made it further than team mates anyway. Also the loaning club in cases like this probably insist they should get game time or they won't send them or have a recall clause anyway. I think the club taking them need to be in a stronger position than that.
 
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It seems the system overall is fundamentally flawed. We've had the news this week 'uddersfield Town are closing their academy. Seems they must be happy to live of the scraps of Man City loanees. That's a lot of kids in that area who could now potentially missout.
 
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I can see why you do it. If it doesn't work out, you send them back. If it does work out, they get you promoted or you sign them.

Karen Brady and Simon Jordan, when on The Debate on Sky, both said the problem with the amount of players the big clubs have is that some of them refuse to go out on loan and are happy to sit around the club getting their wages. They don't develop as a result and begin to stagnate.
 
mowds said:
It seems the system overall is fundamentally flawed. We've had the news this week 'uddersfield Town are closing their academy. Seems they must be happy to live of the scraps of Man City loanees. That's a lot of kids in that area who could now potentially missout.
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From a selfish city point of view does this improve our catchment area for youth players?
 
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mowds said:
It seems the system overall is fundamentally flawed. We've had the news this week 'uddersfield Town are closing their academy. Seems they must be happy to live of the scraps of Man City loanees. That's a lot of kids in that area who could now potentially missout.
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Didn't know that about Huddersfield.
All that Pl money and scrapping the academy. He was a chairman to envy on here a few weeks ago.

I've said it for years on here. A loan should be for 28 days. No more. You either buy him at the end of that time or he goes back to his club. And you can't loan him back. Again and he can't go to another club on loan.
A club should only be allowed three loans at most in a season.
This will stop clubs stockpiling players and make these greedy little ****ers think twice about going to big clubs for the ackers. Instead of going to a club that will develop them and actually let them play.
 
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Talking to someone who knows one of the Real madrid coaches in their youth set up, In Spain, they look to have players brought through by the age of 21, whereas here it's 18. The Spanish philosophy is that extra 3 years allows for maturity, and technique to grow, those 3 years are crucial as it takes the pressure off, hence why they're probably where they are as a nation. What have we had, Rooney in the last 20 years? says it all.
 
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mowds said:
Talking to someone who knows one of the Real madrid coaches in their youth set up, In Spain, they look to have players brought through by the age of 21, whereas here it's 18. The Spanish philosophy is that extra 3 years allows for maturity, and technique to grow, those 3 years are crucial as it takes the pressure off, hence why they're probably where they are as a nation. What have we had, Rooney in the last 20 years? says it all.
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I didn't know that. It does make sense to me.
 
I was critical of the amount of loans we brought in in January as there's no real pressure desire from them for the club to do well as they'll just go back to their parent at the end of the season anyway.
 
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No.

They'd just start bringing in players when they're 15/16, rather than 8/9.
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Today's announcement to the lowest Category IV means the club will now only be allowed to recruit and develop talent from the age of 16 and over with the current youth sides from Under-16 being phased out within the next month.

So they're closing their academy down.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Today's announcement to the lowest Category IV means the club will now only be allowed to recruit and develop talent from the age of 16 and over with the current youth sides from Under-16 being phased out within the next month.

So they're closing their academy down.
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They still have an academy, only it will now only compete at U18 and U23.
 
How can a club have a Category 4 Academy if they're closing their Academy? Some people are absolute pedants.
 
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