Off Topic Covid 19 restrictions have done one

[highpeak tiger]

The best thing we can all do is shrug and get on with things despite all the bollocks churned out and use our own common sense to mitigate risks.

I agree completely. Before omicron, vaccination appeared to reduce hospitalisation and therefore had major benefit (assuming you believe the figures). After omicron displaced delta, we are in a different scenario where prevention appears impossible and you have to get by as best you can. However, omicron appears to be highly infectious regardless of previous infection or vaccination. Fortunately its not as pathogenic as previous variants.

 

[DMD]

I agree completely. Before omicron, vaccination appeared to reduce hospitalisation and therefore had major benefit (assuming you believe the figures). After omicron displaced delta, we are in a different scenario where prevention appears impossible and you have to get by as best you can. However, omicron appears to be highly infectious regardless of previous infection or vaccination. Fortunately its not as pathogenic as previous variants.

So there you go, you've alleviated your own fears, and can crack on with living.

 

[look_back_in_amber]

Maybe the people that are slating what they deem to be anti-vaxxers should consider why tens of thousands of NHS doctors, nurses and admin staff are likely to walk away from their careers in the near future if the government don’t change their stance on mandates. Why could that be? What could they possibly be afraid of?

 

[highpeak tiger]

So there you go, you've alleviated your own fears, and can crack on with living. ok

Fortunately, as I don't live in New Zealand, I intend to.

 

[Drew]

Maybe the people that are slating what they deem to be anti-vaxxers should consider why tens of thousands of NHS doctors, nurses and admin staff are likely to walk away from their careers in the near future if the government don’t change their stance on mandates. Why could that be? What could they possibly be afraid of?

Maybe the people who have not had the vaccine could talk to the majority of NHS staff who’ve had the vaccine just fine?

 

[Barchullona]

In many respects, it's the vaccinated and government mandates that's prolonging the agony.

The vaccine certainly seems to have helped, (although I'm not sure what the current situation is in regions that couldn't get supplies, which could be interesting as a control) but it looks like things are drifting away of their own accord now, as there is a fair amount of debate about the nature of omicron and any later viruses, which are liable to be in line with previous pre-covid ones. So demanding vaccines doesn't do that much good. Take the tennis player in Oz. He was clear of the virus, so no threat, yet others that were vaxed ended up having to go home because they contracted it there.

The current regimes around the world are pursuing political rather than scientific programmes, which to an extent, are driven by their previous messages designed to instill fear. I've ended up needing a booster, due to some other Countries rules.

It's a madness that isn't really reducing the risks. The best thing we can all do is shrug and get on with things despite all the bollocks churned out and use our own common sense to mitigate risks.

There are a lot of countries around where for years you have needed vaccinations for a variety of things. People happily had them in order to travel there. Now they complain about being forced to have this one in order to do so.

 

[DMD]

There are a lot of countries around where for years you have needed vaccinations for a variety of things. People happily had them in order to travel there. Now they complain about being forced to have this one in order to do so.

They are different scenarios as they are to protect the individual in question, rather than society at large, and often for different reasons, plus, many of those were advisory rather than compulsory.

It's a bit of a strawman argument.

 

[Des Head]

They are different scenarios as they are to protect the individual in question, rather than society at large, and often for different reasons, plus, many of those were advisory rather than compulsory.

It's a bit of a strawman argument.

You don't half talk some bollocks.

 

[DMD]

You don't half talk some bollocks.

Oh I definitely do, but that wasn't it.

 

[highpeak tiger]

I had to have a smallpox vaccine to visit Yugoslavia (as was) after the 1972 outbreak there. No vaccination, no holiday.
I had to have malaria and yellow fever vaccines to visit Spain in the late 60s. Again, no vaccination, no holiday

 

[DMD]

I had to have a smallpox vaccine to visit Yugoslavia (as was) after the 1972 outbreak there. No vaccination, no holiday.
I had to have malaria and yellow fever vaccines to visit Spain in the late 60s. Again, no vaccination, no holiday

And Eve had to choose between an apple and paradise. Sometime life back then was a bitch.

 

[highpeak tiger]

And Eve had to choose between an apple and paradise.

I'm not that old.

 

[Steven Toast]

It’s not about trust, I just don’t want it, and don’t see why I should have had my arm twisted into having something injected into me. Elderly and vulnerable are certainly wise to have it sure but why everyone else? It’s just lazy populist policy. It’s never going to be eradicated so what are we gonna do, jab everyone every 3 months? At what cost? Why not force everyone into having every vaccine?

What about those who have died from it? Were they right to trust it? Are their friends and family wrong to not trust it?

Isn't it? Pretty sure they said that about Smallpox.

If there was an Ebola outbreak in the UK somehow, it would be pretty much tacked on that you'd be getting vaccinated for that.

We live in 2022, not 1922, so the better question is, when something has been created that takes your chances of dying from Covid down to practically zero, why wouldn't you choose that option and take your chances? In what other scenarios are there such mediocre stakes as a simple vaccine injection that could bring a chance of death down to a mere fraction of a fraction?

It's everybody's choice to take it, I just can't compute why people would look at something that works and go "nah, I'll chance it thanks". Wonder if it's psychological, if the vaccine was in the form of a tablet, would you see more of an uptake? Maybe there's something about needles people don't like.

 

[DMD]

Isn't it? Pretty sure they said that about Smallpox.

If there was an Ebola outbreak in the UK somehow, it would be pretty much tacked on that you'd be getting vaccinated for that.

We live in 2022, not 1922, so the better question is, when something has been created that takes your chances of dying from Covid down to practically zero, why wouldn't you choose that option and take your chances? In what other scenarios are there such mediocre stakes as a simple vaccine injection that could bring a chance of death down to a mere fraction of a fraction?

It's everybody's choice to take it, I just can't compute why people would look at something that works and go "nah, I'll chance it thanks". Wonder if it's psychological, if the vaccine was in the form of a tablet, would you see more of an uptake? Maybe there's something about needles people don't like.

Interesting you say that about small pox, as the initial vaccination was found to be ineffective against other strains, no matter how many injections they gave. It was that that initiated Jenners work.

 

[Steven Toast]

Interesting you say that about small pox, as the initial vaccination was found to be ineffective against other strains, no matter how many injections they gave. It was that that initiated Jenners work.

Ah, but that's all part of scientific method. You have to get a few things wrong to find the right thing. Or, in this case, just keep injecting people blindly until you hit the jackpot. Gotta love trial and error.

I didn't know that though, very interesting.

 

[DMD]

Ah, but that's all part of scientific method. You have to get a few things wrong to find the right thing. Or, in this case, just keep injecting people blindly until you hit the jackpot. Gotta love trial and error.

I didn't know that though, very interesting.

I'd hardly call random jabbing as being part of the scientific method. It was a more in depth look that brought about the change, and was for a different ailment.

 

[Steven Toast]

I'd hardly call random jabbing as being part of the scientific method. It was a more in depth look that brought about the change, and was for a different ailment.

Aye, I was oversimplifying it

 

[highpeak tiger]

just keep injecting people blindly until you hit the jackpot

Isn't that a tattoo

 

[Amin Arrears]

Isn't it? Pretty sure they said that about Smallpox.

If there was an Ebola outbreak in the UK somehow, it would be pretty much tacked on that you'd be getting vaccinated for that.

We live in 2022, not 1922, so the better question is, when something has been created that takes your chances of dying from Covid down to practically zero, why wouldn't you choose that option and take your chances? In what other scenarios are there such mediocre stakes as a simple vaccine injection that could bring a chance of death down to a mere fraction of a fraction?

It's everybody's choice to take it, I just can't compute why people would look at something that works and go "nah, I'll chance it thanks". Wonder if it's psychological, if the vaccine was in the form of a tablet, would you see more of an uptake? Maybe there's something about needles people don't like.

You could go out wearing a hazmat suit to reduce your chance of illness or death via anything to pretty much zero if you’re that worried about it.

And yes I think the archaic invasive delivery has a lot to do with it for a lot of people. As you say its 2022 not 1922. We don’t go round in horse and cart so why are we still delivering vaccines like it’s the dark ages?

And besides, it doesn’t matter how effective it is. What does matter is people should be free to decide whether they have something inserted into their body or not, and not be coerced into it.

 

[Newland Tiger]

Maybe the people that are slating what they deem to be anti-vaxxers should consider why tens of thousands of NHS doctors, nurses and admin staff are likely to walk away from their careers in the near future if the government don’t change their stance on mandates. Why could that be? What could they possibly be afraid of?

There's no way that's going to happen , watch them change it before the deadline