Off Topic Coronavirus

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Watching GMTV this morning in a hospital Covid ward. The Dr said that the first wave was older people who were passing. This wave it is people in their 40’s and 50’s and are fitter than the first wave.
My 2 friends who recently passed were 52 and 50 (turned 50 last week whilst in a coma) both were strong men who done hard manual work jobs.
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
regarding Covid, especially long term....It is said it maybe possible that by mixing the vaccine may be more effective but too early to know..."There are two main types of immunity you can achieve with vaccines. One is so-called "effective" immunity, which can prevent a pathogen from causing serious disease, but can't stop it from entering the body or making more copies of itself. The other is "sterilising immunity", which can thwart infections entirely, and even prevent asymptomatic cases. The latter is the aspiration of all vaccine research, but surprisingly rarely achieved"

While no foods, single nutrients or dietary supplements are capable of preventing infection with COVID-19, a balanced diet containing sufficient amounts of macronutrients and diverse micronutrients is a prerequisite of an optimally functioning immune system. High-energy “Western” diets and obesity are major risk factors for a more severe course of COVID-19. Alcohol use and tobacco also have detrimental effects on the immune system. Therefore, population-wide body weight control, reduction of smoking rates and limitation of alcohol consumption are important preventive measures. Furthermore, sufficient restorative sleep is needed for adequate immune functioning. Appropriate lifestyle changes in regard to nutrition, exercise, sleep, smoking and alcohol intake may help shift the population distribution of infection risk and aid in preventing severe COVID-19 disease.
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Only snippets <laugh><laugh><laugh>
 
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regarding Covid, especially long term....It is said it maybe possible that by mixing the vaccine may be more effective but too early to know..."There are two main types of immunity you can achieve with vaccines. One is so-called "effective" immunity, which can prevent a pathogen from causing serious disease, but can't stop it from entering the body or making more copies of itself. The other is "sterilising immunity", which can thwart infections entirely, and even prevent asymptomatic cases. The latter is the aspiration of all vaccine research, but surprisingly rarely achieved"


While no foods, single nutrients or dietary supplements are capable of preventing infection with COVID-19, a balanced diet containing sufficient amounts of macronutrients and diverse micronutrients is a prerequisite of an optimally functioning immune system. High-energy “Western” diets and obesity are major risk factors for a more severe course of COVID-19. Alcohol use and tobacco also have detrimental effects on the immune system. Therefore, population-wide body weight control, reduction of smoking rates and limitation of alcohol consumption are important preventive measures. Furthermore, sufficient restorative sleep is needed for adequate immune functioning. Appropriate lifestyle changes in regard to nutrition, exercise, sleep, smoking and alcohol intake may help shift the population distribution of infection risk and aid in preventing severe COVID-19 disease.

Only snippets <laugh><laugh><laugh>
 
Redprintt said:
1For
regarding Covid, especially long term....It is said it maybe possible that by mixing the vaccine may be more effective but too early to know..."There are two main types of immunity you can achieve with vaccines. One is so-called "effective" immunity, which can prevent a pathogen from causing serious disease, but can't stop it from entering the body or making more copies of itself. The other is "sterilising immunity", which can thwart infections entirely, and even prevent asymptomatic cases. The latter is the aspiration of all vaccine research, but surprisingly rarely achieved"


While no foods, single nutrients or dietary supplements are capable of preventing infection with COVID-19, a balanced diet containing sufficient amounts of macronutrients and diverse micronutrients is a prerequisite of an optimally functioning immune system. High-energy “Western” diets and obesity are major risk factors for a more severe course of COVID-19. Alcohol use and tobacco also have detrimental effects on the immune system. Therefore, population-wide body weight control, reduction of smoking rates and limitation of alcohol consumption are important preventive measures. Furthermore, sufficient restorative sleep is needed for adequate immune functioning. Appropriate lifestyle changes in regard to nutrition, exercise, sleep, smoking and alcohol intake may help shift the population distribution of infection risk and aid in preventing severe COVID-19 disease.

Only snippets <laugh><laugh><laugh>
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The bottom section is (from a global health journal) and a portion of the top is, TBF I did use speech marks to show that!! Anyway that is snippets compared to what I read mate....<doh> How's your research going or are you just happy with BBC headlines bible? <laugh> It's ok, you don't have to thank me!! :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
3. I never said Covid 19 was self inflicted....I said unhealthy people, or people chosen to live an unhealthy life style are.
My point was that the NHS would be in a much better position to treat those that were vulnerable, elderly etc.....You avoid the context.
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This was your context.

oneforthebristolcity said:
So I hope you're not lecturing me on how to protect the NHS :emoticon-0127-lipss And if people chose to have a healthier lifestyle......the NHS wouldn't have any problems whatsoever dealing with this virus.........................
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You altered your context.

If people chose to have a healthier lifestyle the NHS and associated health services would still due to the nature of this virus require infection control measures that are not normal. The situation would still be unique v your wouldn't have any problems whatsoever.
 
Cliftonville said:
This was your context.




You altered your context.

If people chose to have a healthier lifestyle the NHS and associated health services would still due to the nature of this virus require infection control measures that are not normal. The situation would still be unique v your wouldn't have any problems whatsoever.
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The current infection control measures for Covid will become similar to those used with flu eventually, but at present we are in the very early stages....this will change and will treated as they do in FLU situations.....and IF not so many beds were taken up from the self inflicted proportion of our population, they wouldn't have any problems dealing with Covid or any other serious illness.as they do now.
Healthy life style is quite fundamental in regards to increasing our immune system (good article from Science direct backing this theory)

FLU & Covid although different viruses as you kept reminding me will become similar to Flu in how it's contained and treated..
Medical scientists have admitted that Covid maybe with us forever...........Similar to Flu
A Vaccine(s) will become available and administered annually only to prevent serious illness especially to those vulnerable and elderly, relieving pressure to the NHS...as we do with Flu
It will be very unlikely they will find any vaccination to eradicate it........similar to flu
Better treatments will become available (new ones found recently, respiratory medication used for Asthma along with the use of anti-inflammatory ) to those unfortunate enough requiring hospitalisation ....similar to flu

So in a nut shell as I've been harping on about for months, protect those that need and want to be protected with the zillions of vaccines that are available (which should cover most variants) ...which makes them safe......Think about leading (as much as possible) a healthier lifestyle (help the NHS) and then let the rest of us get on with it.......................................................................like we've done with the FLU virus :emoticon-0105-wink:

Where's my Guinness <laugh>
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
The current infection control measures for Covid will become similar to those used with flu eventually,
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Covid - 19 infection control measures and risk assessment are massively different to those involving flu.

oneforthebristolcity said:
...and IF not so many beds were taken up from the self inflicted proportion of our population, they wouldn't have any problems dealing with Covid-19 or any other serious illness.as they do now.
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Yes there would be challenging problems as there would be with any other virus with the unique characteristics of Covid -19.

The infection control measures and risk assessment for healthy fit staff reflect this. Risk assessment also differs for BAME backgrounds. The infection control measures and risk assessment for working environments are very different to other viruses and illnesses.
 
Cliftonville said:
Covid - 19 infection control measures and risk assessment are massively different to those involving flu.



Yes there would be challenging problems as there would be with any other virus with the unique characteristics of Covid -19.

The infection control measures and risk assessment for healthy fit staff reflect this. Risk assessment also differs for BAME backgrounds. The infection control measures and risk assessment for working environments are very different to other viruses and illnesses.
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Different now but with vaccines & treatments, they will become similar..
It will be near enough impossible to contain the spread of the virus itself , key will be the control of it's effects & treatments on patients..The aim will be to contain the symptoms..
 
  1. The number of people waiting more than 12 months to start hospital treatment in England was 224,205 in December
  2. It's the highest for any calendar month since April 2008, and compares with 1,467 in December 2019
I wonder how many deaths will come from that!
 
An absolute ton, I've no doubt about it.

But the fact is, if we hadn't locked down, it would have been even more.
 
BCFCRob said:
An absolute ton, I've no doubt about it.

But the fact is, if we hadn't locked down, it would have been even more.
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Not fact..
Yes the main reason for lockdown was to take pressure off the NHS but the harm or the effects on peoples lives through lockdown won't be known for years and could end up to be found worse ..

By these people not receiving treatment with the backlog will add pressure back on plus with new variants of Covid being likely and easier to spread there will be no let up, It will come down to finding a balance or somehow recruiting more medical staff and build more hospitals..
At some stage, it is likely we may need to live to deal with the virus as we do with the flu virus as it' won't be possible to to keep locking down...there needs to be a balance between the lives lost due to the virus and lives lost due to other illnesses along with a broken society which will cost even more lives.

I've been reading that the likelihood of more strains/variants evolving all of the time is quite real, as like flu...Vaccination adjustments for protection will be required and need to be developed.
 
One thing I'm interested in is how many on here have actually had Covid and, if so, how did it affect the individual and their thoughts about the ongoing pandemic/lockdown/vaccs programme?

Much seems to have been written about research, personal choice and what's happened to others, what's happened to you?
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
Not fact..
Yes the main reason for lockdown was to take pressure off the NHS but the harm or the effects on peoples lives through lockdown won't be known for years and could end up to be found worse ..
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I know you blindly stick to it mate but it's in the face of overwhelming evidence. We've had 110,000 deaths, with 3 lockdowns which severely brought down the potential total.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109595/coronavirus-mortality-in-the-uk/

Just imagine if that graph never flattened at any point, if it just kept on going... I don't want to know what the total would then be. It's inevitable that lockdowns will have caused, and will cause in the future, further deaths, but there's no evidence at all to suggest that it would be anything close to the number of deaths had we never locked down at all.
 
I think I had it in February, continuous dry cough, very painful tight chest, like a brace around me, breathing difficult and very painful, not a fever but very high temperature, 2 or 3 weeks I started to recover, very weak like flu without blowing your nose, never saw a doctor but used Ibuprofen and if you remember we had a very early sunny spell, I sat out in that a lot and I swear it helped me recover, no follow up problems, living alife as well as we can.
 
Rob, you're obviously catching up with Captain Covid's view of the pandemic.
Please don't bother.

Best to starve a fever.
 
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Reliant Robin TC2 said:
One thing I'm interested in is how many on here have actually had Covid and, if so, how did it affect the individual and their thoughts about the ongoing pandemic/lockdown/vaccs programme?

Much seems to have been written about research, personal choice and what's happened to others, what's happened to you?
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Have had some very mild symptoms occasionally which may or may not have been Covid, but nothing that would have made me want to ask for or get a test. I lost virtually all of my sense of smell around 2013 so can't comment on that symptom. I can only smell anything now if it's literally under my nose or very very pungent like a Vindaloo at a few paces.
 
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