Off Topic Coronavirus

[wizered]

Great news. I've been hearing mixed responses from those who've had the vaccine regarding how they feel afterwards - for some they've felt pretty awful for a day or so and then fine and dandy straight after that, which I'm sure is the norm for this sort of thing. Though I'm sure if you do feel a bit rough for a little bit then that's just a sign that the vaccine is working .

We would rather have a bit of discomfort now than go through what all of those poor sods in hospital have been through, cheers mate.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I have worked in health care (NHS etc) for two decades nothing compares to covid. Covid was the cause of one in five deaths for December. In Wales it was one in four, it has been nearly one in three!

With a positive test............NOT of Covid......again misleading figures to the mass!!

 

[Oldsparkey]

Great news, our vaccine appointments for last Friday as I posted were cancelled but we have just been telephoned and our new appointments are together on Thursday AM, Mrs Wiz and me are chuffed to bits again and can't wait.

We would rather have a bit of discomfort now than go through what all of those poor sods in hospital have been through, cheers mate.

If it helps, my wife and I had our first Pfizer vaccine jab a fortnight back (I won't go into the reasons why) and I can report no side effects except for a bit of local soreness around the upper arm injection site for about 48 hours - nothing else at all.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Completely wrong. Other viruses do not lead to pandemics. /QUOTE]

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They would do if our own anti bodies were unable to fight against them........sars-cov-2 is foreign to our immune system, hence the pandemic

 

[Cliftonville]

They would do if

If is not the reality.

With a positive test............NOT of Covid......again misleading figures to the mass!!

Incorrect. You will quibble and project about a % of a % but these are deaths - Covid was a factor. Mortality rates are far above averages due to Covid. Mortality rates were dropping in years leading up to 2020 now they are at their highest point in decades.

 

[wizered]

If it helps, my wife and I had our first Pfizer vaccine jab a fortnight back (I won't go into the reasons why) and I can report no side effects except for a bit of local soreness around the upper arm injection site for about 48 hours - nothing else at all.

We were due to have the astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine for our cancelled appointments but we are now booked into a different venue and we will recieve Pfizer, so I have been informed, thanks for the wise up, I have had many Flu jabs and never had a problem but it's good to be aware of the possibilities, thanks.

 

[Oldsparkey]

We were due to have the astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine for our cancelled appointments but we are now booked into a different venue and we will recieve Pfizer, so I have been informed, thanks for the wise up, I have had many Flu jabs and never had a problem but it's good to be aware of the possibilities, thanks.

No probs.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

If is not the reality.

I don't believe it would be a pandemic if we as a nation led a healthier lifestyle....that's my point..If you are healthy & fit you are less likely to be affected to the point of hospitalisation .Do you dispute that?

 

[Cliftonville]

I don't believe it would be a pandemic if we as a nation led a healthier lifestyle....that's my point..If you are healthy & fit you are less likely to be affected to the point of hospitalisation .Do you dispute that?

Yes I would dispute that wholly. A pandemic is something that affects an entire Country, Continent ... Leading a healthier lifestyle is not a control measure to wholly stop this virus. Culture and health can help limit or progress but it cannot stop. Healthy and fit and young people can spread viruses. Healthy and fit and young people can freely spread this virus - partying on the downs.

 

[BCFCRob]

I know I've asked this a dozen times already onefor but how would you explain the fact that death numbers are far higher, coincidentally rising since March 2020 if it's not Covid?

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Yes I would dispute that wholly. A pandemic is something that affects an entire Country, Continent ... Leading a healthier lifestyle is not a control measure to stop a virus. Culture and health can help limit or progress but it cannot stop. Healthy and fit and young people can spread viruses. Healthy and fit and young people can freely spread this virus - partying on the downs.

1. Our immune system is the only reliable & effective way to combat a virus and only a sterilising immunity vaccine (which is very unlikely to be found), will eradicate it fully.
2. If you are healthy and fit your immune system will be at it's peak to combat infections or viruses , it is unlikely to affect you to a point of hospitalisation.
3.. If less patients receiving medical care for self inflicted health issues those affected would be able to receive treatment much quicker.
4. Plenty of Countries out there are nowhere near affected by this virus compared to UK and the US......The two Countries renowned for it's populations obesity.

There are plenty of things that affect entire Countries and Continents, how you deal as a society is key.
"Effective" vaccines (what is being dished out now) will not eradicate the virus and is unlikely to stop the spread, it only helps prevent serious illness.
Like Flu , we will eventually have to learn to live with this virus, the best way would be, is to be as healthy and fit as possible to build up our strongest form of immunity ..The spreading of the virus is likely to continue for the foreseeable future, therefore it is likely that preventive measures will also continue.
Countries with healthier life styles will come out of this much quicker than we will in the UK..

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I know I've asked this a dozen times already onefor but how would you explain the fact that death numbers are far higher, coincidentally rising since March 2020 if it's not Covid?

Plenty of previous years to the percentage of people are higher.....Highest since 2009 I grant you, could be other reasons other than just covid putting the figures up..
Flu is at it's lowest for years, but has been certified as a Coronavirus, same as Pneumonia....

 

[Redprintt]

Wiz
My daughter had the Pfizer whereas me and Mrs R had the AZ.
No problems at all from either jab.

 

[Redprintt]

Sad news of Dave Egerton the Bath and England forward.
Just 59 years old and only admitted to hospital Saturday with Covid.

 

[Cliftonville]

1. Our immune system is the only reliable & effective way to combat a virus and only a sterilising immunity vaccine (which is very unlikely to be found), will eradicate it fully.
2. If you are healthy and fit your immune system will be at it's peak to combat infections or viruses , it is unlikely to affect you to a point of hospitalisation.
3.. If less patients receiving medical care for self inflicted health issues those affected would be able to receive treatment much quicker.
4. Plenty of Countries out there are nowhere near affected by this virus compared to UK and the US......The two Countries renowned for it's populations obesity.

There are plenty of things that affect entire Countries and Continents, how you deal as a society is key.
"Effective" vaccines (what is being dished out now) will not eradicate the virus and is unlikely to stop the spread, it only helps prevent serious illness.
Like Flu , we will eventually have to learn to live with this virus, the best way would be, is to be as healthy and fit as possible to build up our strongest form of immunity ..The spreading of the virus is likely to continue for the foreseeable future, therefore it is likely that preventive measures will also continue.
Countries with healthier life styles will come out of this much quicker than we will in the UK..

1. Vaccination boosts that immune system. Mixing vaccines could boost the immune system further.
2. Physical activity can make us less susceptible to infections. Being healthy can, note can lessen the consequences of infection. It does not make you immune.
3. Covid-19 is not self inflicted. It affects e.g. those with physical disabilities whose vulnerability is of no fault of their own and that vulnerability is being increased by the ignorance and insensitivity of others.
4. Socio economic factors are drivers of infection. In healthy Scandinavia ethnic minorities are experiencing higher rates of infection. A driver there is multiple occupancy occupation. Population density is a contributory factor to infection rates. Covid hotspots in the UK feature both. Mobility of population is another driver. Belgium has a very high population density, high multiple occupancy across communities and a mobile population, and the highest infection rate in Europe. The
Australians are not a nation with a notable healthier lifestyle, neither is New Zealand (NZs obesity is higher than the UK) they do live in a very spacious Countries an asset v this virus.

There is of course mindset, some people won't be told anything, they believe what they want, they are immune superhumans, they have invisible shields that protect them and one or two even get to head nations ..

 

[Jiffie]

I know I've asked this a dozen times already onefor but how would you explain the fact that death numbers are far higher, coincidentally rising since March 2020 if it's not Covid?

I am not a covid denier or vaccine abstainer, Mrs Jiffie and I have had the call for this coming Saturday, we have fully observed every part of lockdown restrictions.

But right at the beginning of the pandemic the world health organisation told the office national statistics not to add anyone who tested positive for covid within 28 days but died for reasons other than covid, the ONS ignored that advice. The UK has over 18% of over 65's and 2.5% of over 85's. We certainly have the worse obesity rate in Europe 27% of all UK adults are obese. Following the easing of the first lockdown far too many people went absolutely mental and filled the UK's tourists areas to bursting point, people flocking to go abroad knowing that at the drop of a hat that restrictions regarding their destination of choice might change, demonstrations, raves and other illegal get togethers, only 2 weeks ago students had a rave that the police had to break up and the excuse offered was "we were bored", people from the same family dying of covid after illegally meeting at Christmas time, all of this has added to the death rate.

In France where the death rate is lower (but rising) residents needed a certificate from the police to even go shopping and without one people were liable to arrest

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

1. Vaccination boosts that immune system. Mixing vaccines could boost the immune system further.
2. Physical activity can make us less susceptible to infections. Being healthy can, note can lessen the consequences of infection. It does not make you immune.
3. Covid-19 is not self inflicted. It affects e.g. those with physical disabilities whose vulnerability is of no fault of their own and that vulnerability is being increased by the ignorance and insensitivity of others.
4. Socio economic factors are drivers of infection. In healthy Scandinavia ethnic minorities are experiencing higher rates of infection. A driver there is multiple occupancy occupation. Population density is a contributory factor to infection rates. Covid hotspots in the UK feature both. Mobility of population is another driver. Belgium has a very high population density, high multiple occupancy across communities and a mobile population, and the highest infection rate in Europe. The
Australians are not a nation with a notable healthier lifestyle, neither is New Zealand (NZs obesity is higher than the UK) they do live in a very spacious Countries an asset v this virus.

There is of course mindset, some people won't be told anything, they believe what they want, they are immune superhumans, they have invisible shields that protect them and one or two even get to head nations ..

1. That's not known for sure or been proven regarding Covid, especially long term....It is said it maybe possible that by mixing the vaccine may be more effective but too early to know..."There are two main types of immunity you can achieve with vaccines. One is so-called "effective" immunity, which can prevent a pathogen from causing serious disease, but can't stop it from entering the body or making more copies of itself. The other is "sterilising immunity", which can thwart infections entirely, and even prevent asymptomatic cases. The latter is the aspiration of all vaccine research, but surprisingly rarely achieved"

NB. The numbers have fallen dramatically from 4/5 weeks ago, I don't believe it's due to vaccines but more likely to do with schools closing & of course bars & restaurants ..
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2. Helps you if you get it, by having the virus and getting over it increases your immunity.
3. I never said Covid 19 was self inflicted....I said unhealthy people, or people chosen to live an unhealthy life style are.
My point was that the NHS would be in a much better position to treat those that were vulnerable, elderly etc.....You avoid the context.
4. It stands to reason that Population density would be a considerable factor to infection rates, but being healthy & fit would also stand to reason if you contract a virus, you are more likely to overcome it..
My point regarding healthily lifestyle.
While no foods, single nutrients or dietary supplements are capable of preventing infection with COVID-19, a balanced diet containing sufficient amounts of macronutrients and diverse micronutrients is a prerequisite of an optimally functioning immune system. High-energy “Western” diets and obesity are major risk factors for a more severe course of COVID-19. Alcohol use and tobacco also have detrimental effects on the immune system. Therefore, population-wide body weight control, reduction of smoking rates and limitation of alcohol consumption are important preventive measures. Furthermore, sufficient restorative sleep is needed for adequate immune functioning. Appropriate lifestyle changes in regard to nutrition, exercise, sleep, smoking and alcohol intake may help shift the population distribution of infection risk and aid in preventing severe COVID-19 disease.

Nothing to do with believing what we want to believe, as with most things, dealing with situations requires balance in thoughts and just a bit more than a dribble of common sense!!

 

[Redprintt]

1For
What would you do without cut and paste

 

[RedorDead]

He’s playing on the dark web again is he?

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

1For
What would you do without cut and paste

Only tiny snippets of it RP, maybe you can learn from it I could have sent the link instead, but you lot, can't be arsed to research anything other than misleading headlines or what you are told on the 6 o'clock news.
The BBC bible seems to be the magnet for most Dolly's