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I think its pretty clear form the data that
a) theres 2 big pre vaccination waves
b) theres 2 clear period post lockdowns in summer where the corona deaths are tiny.
c) its also clear deaths from other causes are up
d) its clear that despite a massive flood of DELTA and OMNICRON veriants over winter the vaccinations have indeed helped and excess deaths are down.
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In the USA however... the data follows a similar trend for the first two waves. bad first spike hiting NY etc, the US election spike and winter, with the drop off in summers. But in yankland, under Biden and with the resistance to common sense (65% 2 doses and only 20 odd % boosted) shows that vaccinations do work.
ynaks are maybe more delta earlier in thier winder but they are killing themselves off. its not "identical" data though, its not excess deaths but there is some similar trends
If you pick any eastern european country you can look at deaths in 2021/22 winter and correlate to low vaccination update.
I picked poland
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Again no real early spike as the problem hit them later in summer in 2020 but then we see massive spike up all over winder 2020 and it doesn't come down unilkt june/july with a second wave even in 2021 sping. They hend have massive wave of deaths again in winter 2021 number vaccinated 62% of adults.
across europe they are at 70-75% so nowhere in europe is there much common sense being shown
conversely i pulled our nearest neighbours
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again very similar death curve. in terms of timing to us as they are so close and probably get it at same time we do. I pulled this as they are at 96% of adult population and are vaccinating aged 5 and over. This is country with no restrictions after a massive wave of omnicron.
in the uk 82% of adults are BOOSTED #a bit of common ****ing sense.
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Now on the "right" to refuse.
IMO active consent is a core fundamental "right" in medical treatment.
After WWII we had the Nuremburg code created as a result of nazi experiments in death camps. Active consent is enshrined in the Helsinki declaration by the world medical association on medical research
"In medical research involving human subjects capable of giving informed consent, each potential subject must be adequately informed of the aims, methods, sources of funding, any possible conflicts of interest, institutional affiliations of the researcher, the anticipated benefits and potential risks of the study and the discomfort it may entail, post-study provisions and any other relevant aspects of the study. The potential subject must be informed of the right to refuse to participate in the study or to withdraw consent to participate at any time without reprisal. Special attention should be given to the specific information needs of individual potential subjects as well as to the methods used to deliver the information."
Each and everyone of us were asked before each and every vaccination for our CONSENT.
this is absolutely fundamental so if a government mandates something or threatens someone it is acting less ethically than the doctors/nurses administering the vaccine.
If Ireland and the UK can achieve such high numbers of vaccinated then countries turning to unethical means to force vaccinations on the "moronic" its a very very slippery slope.
I for one defend the rights of the morons to risk their own lives. I think having the terms and conditions for NEW hires to NHS/care homes require something is ok. someone can then choose.
to to force something on someone with a reprisal of loss of job etc is utterly unethical
