Off Topic Coronavirus

[johnsonsbaby]

I can’t say for certainty but the vaccine was give out in age so do you know for sure that when it got to a 30 year old dr that it wasn’t known?

I 100% agree with you btw. At the time it was the right thing to do. I probably didn’t need it but it was the right thing to do to get it to protect my family etc.

However at the same time you saying they can’t use that as a defence now, you can’t really use the fact that 1 year ago we thought the vaccine may stop it spreading as a reason why someone now should get the vaccine surely?

I think everyone should get it. It would help reduce the hospitilisatios which will free up nhs to treat other sick people and cut waiting times. so I’m in no way trying to say they shouldn’t, but right now, ignoring the last 2 years, if someone started work tomorrow for the nhs, what’s the reasoning for them having to have the vaccine? You say risk to patients etc, but are they any more of s risk? As I say, we’re still testing and if you test positive you isolate if you’ve had the vaccine or not.

Be interesting to see if people that have had the vaccine are actually more lax when it comes to hygiene and covid now as well knowing they are better protected?

On the first point, doctors 'jumped the queue'. They were among the first to get it regardless of age.

Your second point, I understand what you're saying but the virus is still here and just because the current variant produces mild symptoms doesn't mean that a nasty variant won't appear again at any time. The virus is here to stay one way or another and annual boosters will probably be a thing now like the flu jab.

I think if you want to work in the NHS then along with the hepatitis vaccines etc that you are required to have, for your own protection and everyone else's, then while we are in this deadly disease/Covid era, you should have to be vaccinated for the same reasons. It's a very small thing to do with the very best of intentions for doing so. The flu vaccine has a very low efficacy ( in 2015 it had 0% efficacy among the over 65's) because each year they do a best guess as to what goes in it based on the current variant but every year people are encouraged to have the flu vaccine and millions take it up. You could equally say why bother. We'll never know how many lives are saved with the flu vaccine and similarly with the Covid vaccines.

I realise that we agree mostly on this. We will have to agree to disagree on the NHS workers aspect of it.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Just to reiterate in case it got lost in amongst all the words, other than in the NHS which has always had some mandatory vaccines, I don't believe in mandatory vaccination.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

On the first point, doctors 'jumped the queue'. They were among the first to get it regardless of age.

Your second point, I understand what you're saying but the virus is still here and just because the current variant produces mild symptoms doesn't mean that a nasty variant won't appear again at any time. The virus is here to stay one way or another and annual boosters will probably be a thing now like the flu jab.

I think if you want to work in the NHS then along with the hepatitis vaccines etc that you are required to have, for your own protection and everyone else's, then while we are in this deadly disease/Covid era, you should have to be vaccinated for the same reasons. It's a very small thing to do with the very best of intentions for doing so. The flu vaccine has a very low efficacy ( in 2015 it had 0% efficacy among the over 65's) because each year they do a best guess as to what goes in it based on the current variant but every year people are encouraged to have the flu vaccine and millions take it up. You could equally say why bother. We'll never know how many lives are saved with the flu vaccine and similarly with the Covid vaccines.

I realise that we agree mostly on this. We will have to agree to disagree on the NHS workers aspect of it.

Fair enough on dr’s getting in first, didn’t realise but in that case yeah I’m surprised there are some out there that haven’t given they see what goes on, and have the medical knowledge behind them.

I agree it’s probably going to be around for a while. In that case are boosters going to be mandatory as well? How long do we keep giving them out for? I know it’s more dangerous than the flu but the flu vaccine isn’t mandatory for anyone yet kills people each year and can be caught and transmitted.

At what point do you draw the line for mandatory vaccinations?

 

[Tiresias]

Not just front line workers got it first.My mate works in NHS IT and had it before me and my wife and were both older wife by 5 and me by 10 years and my wife is immunosuppressed!

 

[Milk..]

Not just front line workers got it first.My mate works in NHS IT and had it before me and my wife and were both older wife by 5 and me by 10 years and my wife is immunosuppressed!

Aye didn't see you post... But this was me too. Felt wrong getting it early, but we had excess shots at the time so I wasn't taking it from anyone else so I took my opportunity.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Fair enough on dr’s getting in first, didn’t realise but in that case yeah I’m surprised there are some out there that haven’t given they see what goes on, and have the medical knowledge behind them.

I agree it’s probably going to be around for a while. In that case are boosters going to be mandatory as well? How long do we keep giving them out for? I know it’s more dangerous than the flu but the flu vaccine isn’t mandatory for anyone yet kills people each year and can be caught and transmitted.

At what point do you draw the line for mandatory vaccinations?

You draw the line hard and fast where someone entering a field can be told hey this this and this are needed but you cannot threaten people with repercussions should they not consent.

It's about active informed consent here and ethics.

If some countries can get 82 and 95% vaccinations and others 50% and then some like Austria (brownshirts) can start then threatening people it's a very very slippery slope.

 

[THE FOOL]

I have finally succumbed to covid, feel like absolute ****e and have done for over a week.

I've tested every 2/3 days since feeling poorly, 12 days later it came up as positive. I think 4 times I've had a negative test prior.

 

[Germlands Nozzer]

I have finally succumbed to covid, feel like absolute ****e and have done for over a week.

I've tested every 2/3 days since feeling poorly, 12 days later it came up as positive. I think 4 times I've had a negative test prior.

Get better soon mate.

We had a friend like that. Her husband and son were both positive and she had symptoms but was testing negative, then after a week she felt better but finally tested positive.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I have finally succumbed to covid, feel like absolute ****e and have done for over a week.

I've tested every 2/3 days since feeling poorly, 12 days later it came up as positive. I think 4 times I've had a negative test prior.

I went the whole of February feeling absolutely awful, every symptom you could think of, sneezing, coughing, headache, no energy, hot then cold, either runny or blocked nose, sore eyes, really really tired and no interest in anything. As I thought I was getting better the symptoms started to cycle through again. Did test every three days and all were negative. Never had anything like it. If I hadn't had access to the tests confirming I was negative, I would definitely had thought I'd had Covid.

Get well soon

 

[Garlic Klopp]

My parents, 90 and 87, have got it at present. They are fully jabbed.

 

[Bumps]

I have finally succumbed to covid, feel like absolute ****e and have done for over a week.

I've tested every 2/3 days since feeling poorly, 12 days later it came up as positive. I think 4 times I've had a negative test prior.

Get better soon mate

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

My parents, 90 and 87, have got it at present. They are fully jabbed.

Hope all ok

 

[Zanjinho]

I have finally succumbed to covid, feel like absolute ****e and have done for over a week.

I've tested every 2/3 days since feeling poorly, 12 days later it came up as positive. I think 4 times I've had a negative test prior.

Hope you feel better soon mate.

I had it in January; had clear symptoms but kept testing negative, symptoms buggered off and the tests turned positive. Nineteen days

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

My parents, 90 and 87, have got it at present. They are fully jabbed.

hope it goes ok for you, have they got any anit viral pills yet?

 

[Solid Air]

My parents, 90 and 87, have got it at present. They are fully jabbed.

Hope everything turns out well for them both

 

[Zanjinho]

My parents, 90 and 87, have got it at present. They are fully jabbed.

Almost everyone I know that's had it is fully jabbed. The one that isn't jabbed (that's had it) was much better symptoms wise.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Almost everyone I know that's had it is fully jabbed. The one that isn't jabbed (that's had it) was much better symptoms wise.

everyones different mate. theres 170k dead over the 2 years with majority pre jabbing to prove why jabs are good.

thing is; everyone will have it now and immune systems are only as strong as the person so its not full immunity. We bought the time for 18minths to get the jabs done. now we benefit from doing it.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...formationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

ons show how flu deaths and flu + pneumonia deaths were prior to covid. if you don't get the pneumonia out of it you generally don't die and covid has its own complications with inflammation etc. thankfully omnicron moved up to the throat so its now endemic but less of a killer.

 

[Garlic Klopp]

Considering their age my parents seem to be doing OK. My Dad, 90, says my Mum, 87, will not suffer as much as him as she is younger!!!

 

[johnsonsbaby]

My parents, 90 and 87, have got it at present. They are fully jabbed.

Hope they're both coping well with it and will be better soon.

 

[Milk..]

Almost everyone I know that's had it is fully jabbed. The one that isn't jabbed (that's had it) was much better symptoms wise.

Anecdotal.


I can tell you from.where I work the only people in intensive care, for months now, have been people who didn't get vaccinated. We did have some earlier who were vaccinated that went into intensive care, but they all had comorbid conditions.

We haven't had anyone vaccinated without comorbid symptoms in ICU in over a year.

Also, we are seeing plenty of vaccinated people get sick, but at a lower rate than unvaccinated people... Not much lower though... Boosters not really preventing covid. Just preventing bad covid (except for those already morbidly obese, immunocompromised, or diabetic, etc)