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So they doing okay doing nothing - they were literally carrying on as normal
Isn’t this odd ? Or does it mean they have t been exposed as long as the other European countries ???

Don't know mate, they have a population of 9.5 million.
And a lot less movement in and out of the country compared to the wealthier western Europeans I suppose

 

[Bumps]

Don't know mate, they have a population of 9.5 million.
And a lot less movement in and out of the country compared to the wealthier western Europeans I suppose

That figures but i just don't understand how they have literally done nothing or hadn't last time i was able to get anything and had the results they have. The movement might be key but that said it isn't as-if they have not had cases, you would imagine with how they have been carrying on it should have spread like wildflower- pretty much like the US
I understand there is always the chance that the figures coming out just aren't true but it just seems odd ?
Anyway thanks for replying
Since being furloughed been mega busy, not had much spare time at all, crazy really
Hope you guys are all okay
Take care

 

[astro]

I already [HASHTAG]#calledit[/HASHTAG] that Greece was doing well

Here's an article how their competent government absolutely shames Boris

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-beating-coronavirus-despite-a-decade-of-debt

 

[astro]

“Before the first case was diagnosed, we had started examining people and isolating them. Incoming flights, especially from China, were monitored. Later, when others began to be repatriated from Spain, for example, we made sure they were quarantined in hotels.”

“There are problems you can solve through spin and others that require truth and transparency. It was very clear we needed experts and we needed to listen to them.”

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Would a government of another persuasion have done things differently?
Doesn't the chief medical officer advise the pm? Has the pm gone against medical advice at any stage? Genuine questions as I've been avoiding all political articles.

 

[astro]

Would a government of another persuasion have done things differently?
Doesn't the chief medical officer advise the pm? Has the pm gone against medical advice at any stage? Genuine questions as I've been avoiding all political articles.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/04/10/orde-a10.html

UK government ignored scientific advice and treated COVID-19 as a public order issue

Boris Johnson’s Conservative government disregarded scientific advice about the danger to life posed by the coronavirus almost from the moment when the first deaths were reported in China.

Instead, the government was mainly concerned with developing its response from the standpoint of combating “public disorder” and social unrest. This was the backdrop to its passing of the Coronavirus Bill on March 25 handing authoritarian powers to Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his ministers.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/04/10/orde-a10.html

UK government ignored scientific advice and treated COVID-19 as a public order issue

Boris Johnson’s Conservative government disregarded scientific advice about the danger to life posed by the coronavirus almost from the moment when the first deaths were reported in China.

Instead, the government was mainly concerned with developing its response from the standpoint of combating “public disorder” and social unrest. This was the backdrop to its passing of the Coronavirus Bill on March 25 handing authoritarian powers to Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his ministers.

Doesn't that being the world socialist website mean there's an agenda there though.

I've only watched one video this whole time and that was Boris telling the world that he'd been meeting virus patients and shaking their hands. It was alright apparently as long as you washed your hands "before". ???? I don't know what message he thought that sent but it was completely irresponsible on his part and he paid the price for his utterly buffoonish bravado. I don't wish the man harm, I don't wish anybody harm but if that's a sample of leading by example, it failed miserably.

I'm not sure what a Jeremy Corbyn would have done but I wasn't too impressed with the new shadow chancellor Dodds picking out LFC in her maiden speech either. I thought that was completely unnecessary and ill advised too especially bearing in mind the vast sums of money the taxpayers fork out to send her and her ilk on their travels via First Class just as one example.

 

[astro]

Doesn't that being the world socialist website mean there's an agenda there though.

I've only watched one video this whole time and that was Boris telling the world that he'd been meeting virus patients and shaking their hands. It was alright apparently as long as you washed your hands "before". ???? I don't know what message he thought that sent but it was completely irresponsible on his part and he paid the price for his utterly buffoonish bravado. I don't wish the man harm, I don't wish anybody harm but if that's a sample of leading by example, it failed miserably.

I'm not sure what a Jeremy Corbyn would have done but I wasn't too impressed with the new shadow chancellor Dodds picking out LFC in her maiden speech either. I thought that was completely unnecessary and ill advised too especially bearing in mind the vast sums of money the taxpayers fork out to send her and her ilk on their travels via First Class just as one example.

Boris and Trump put the economy before lives. Corbyn wouldn't have hesitated to implement UBI.

Boris wasted time trying to get Tory donors to develop new ventilators from scratch. Corbyn would have paid whatever necessary to whatever company was qualified to make them.

Boris ignored 3 opportunies for ventilators and PPE from the EU. Corbyn wouldn't have.

Only about 1% of business loans have been successful because Boris wanted to reward the banks with government-backed loans with zero accountability. Corbyn wouldn't have cared about how much profit the banks can make from this.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Boris and Trump put the economy before lives. Corbyn wouldn't have hesitated to implement UBI.

Boris wasted time trying to get Tory donors to develop new ventilators from scratch. Corbyn would have paid whatever necessary to whatever company was qualified to make them.

Boris ignored 3 opportunies for ventilators and PPE from the EU. Corbyn wouldn't have.

Only about 1% of business loans have been successful because Boris wanted to reward the banks with government-backed loans with zero accountability. Corbyn wouldn't have cared about how much profit the banks can make from this.

'Corbyn would have / wouldn't have ' ...... is easy to say when in reality you don't know what he would or wouldn't have done because he doesn't know what he would have done otherwise instead of deliberately seeking to undermine public faith in the authorities, he would have given us his strategy. He didn't.

btw I'm no Boris or Tory fan. I just don't like opposition for the sake of it with no helpful input as to how to actually make this situation better.

 

[astro]

'Corbyn would have / wouldn't have ' ...... is easy to say when in reality you don't know what he would or wouldn't have done because he doesn't know what he would have done otherwise instead of deliberately seeking to undermine public faith in the authorities, he would have given us his strategy. He didn't.

btw I'm no Boris or Tory fan.

Of course it's just a guess. Corbyn might have decided to put the interests of Tory donors before the health of the public. Bit of a [HASHTAG]#plottwist[/HASHTAG] but not impossible.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Of course it's just a guess. Corbyn might have decided to put the interests of Tory donors before the health of the public. Bit of a [HASHTAG]#plottwist[/HASHTAG] but not impossible.

I just don't see the point of opposition for the sake of it with no plan in mind.

 

[Tobes]

'Corbyn would have / wouldn't have ' ...... is easy to say when in reality you don't know what he would or wouldn't have done because he doesn't know what he would have done otherwise instead of deliberately seeking to undermine public faith in the authorities, he would have given us his strategy. He didn't.

btw I'm no Boris or Tory fan.

He wouldn’t have used a ‘nudge’ group consisting of behavioural scientists (and I used the word scientist extremely loosely) headed up by Cummings, to help steer the strategy.

It was these goons who pushed the herd immunity plan and went against any idea of a prompt lockdown as their untested and non peer reviewed model predicted that the British public wouldn’t accept the word of ‘experts’ and thus the lockdown and loss of liberty.

These being the same people who lead the Brexit campaign when they sowed the seeds of expert opinion as being worthless, with their ‘we’ve had enough of experts’ mantra, so probably not a surprise.

The fact that we had 250,000 at Cheltenham and 3,000 Madrid fans at Anfield - when Madrid was already badly effected and close to lockdown, in the same week we were seeing those awful images from Italy, was absolute unadulterated madness, and plenty of us were calling it that at the time as well.

This shower have completely ****ed it up. From the 2 months of inaction when they should have been acquiring PPE and Ventilators, the lockdown that was 7-10 days too late and allowed for exponential growth of the virus in that period, through to the hideous decision to award Tory donors JCB and Dyson contracts to supply ventilators when they had zero experience and companies who actually made them were ignored.

But let’s clap for Boris, the only man on the planet to have walked out of hospital 2 days after coming out of ICU and somehow testing negative.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

He wouldn’t have used a ‘nudge’ group consisting of behavioural scientists (and I used the word scientist extremely loosely) headed up by Cummings, to help steer the strategy.

It was these goons who pushed the herd immunity plan and went against any idea of a prompt lockdown as their untested and non peer reviewed model predicted that the British public wouldn’t accept the word of ‘experts’ and thus the lockdown and loss of liberty.

These being the same people who lead the Brexit campaign when they sowed the seeds of expert opinion as being worthless, with their ‘we’ve had enough of experts’ mantra, so probably not a surprise.

The fact that we had 250,000 at Cheltenham and 3,000 Madrid fans at Anfield - when Madrid was already badly effected and close to lockdown, in the same week we were seeing those awful images from Italy, was absolute unadulterated madness, and plenty of us were calling it that at the time as well.

This shower have completely ****ed it up. From the 2 months of inaction when they should have been acquiring PPE and Ventilators, the lockdown that was 7-10 days too late and allowed for exponential growth of the virus in that period, through to the hideous decision to award Tory donors JCB and Dyson contracts to supply ventilators when they had zero experience and companies who actually made them were ignored.

But let’s clap for Boris, the only man on the planet to have walked out of hospital 2 days after coming out of ICU and somehow testing negative.

I agree with everything you've said.

My only point was we have no idea what Corbyn would have done. Hindsight always has 20/20 vision.

 

[Tobes]

I agree with everything you've said.

My only point was we have no idea what Corbyn would have done. Hindsight always has 20/20 vision.

Corbyn is irrelevant really, as he didn’t get the gig, but he literally couldn’t have done any worse.

We’re on our way to being the worst affected nation in Europe.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Corbyn is irrelevant really, as he didn’t get the gig, but he literally couldn’t have done any worse.

We’re on our way to being the worst affected nation in Europe.

That's cheered me up, thanks.

 

[wishiwasinliverpool]

This man is an absolute legend. What a gent! £10 well spent!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52290976

 

[astro]

Doesn't that being the world socialist website mean there's an agenda there though.

Straight from the scientists themselves then:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/uk-government-coronavirus-science-who-advice

We scientists said lock down. But UK politicians refused to listen

For 11 fateful days in March, the government ignored the best coronavirus advice.

It’s now clear that so many people have died, and so many more are desperately ill, simply because our politicians refused to listen to and act on advice. Scientists like us said lock down earlier; we said test, trace, isolate. But they decided they knew better.

 

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[johnsonsbaby]

Straight from the scientists themselves then:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/uk-government-coronavirus-science-who-advice

We scientists said lock down. But UK politicians refused to listen

For 11 fateful days in March, the government ignored the best coronavirus advice.

It’s now clear that so many people have died, and so many more are desperately ill, simply because our politicians refused to listen to and act on advice. Scientists like us said lock down earlier; we said test, trace, isolate. But they decided they knew better.

I believe that the government acted too slowly on this but the world socialist website isn't the place to look for robust, unbiased information.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Straight from the scientists themselves then:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/uk-government-coronavirus-science-who-advice

Any chance you can post this on the Prem thread Astro. The resident Donald Trump has given me the CNN treatment.

We scientists said lock down. But UK politicians refused to listen

For 11 fateful days in March, the government ignored the best coronavirus advice.

It’s now clear that so many people have died, and so many more are desperately ill, simply because our politicians refused to listen to and act on advice. Scientists like us said lock down earlier; we said test, trace, isolate. But they decided they knew better.