Coronavirus

[aberdude]

Why the narrative and swearing. I asked a few polite and simple questions. I suppose what you are really saying, is you've realised you've contradicted yourself over a series of statements, so will respond in 'Ffs,' and 'fact is I ain't having it' to cover your tracks, yup I get it 'really is that simple' when you can't even tell the basic truth. Nothing to consider, no timescales, you ain't having it!

We believe you

Makes no odds to me dude

 

[SaintsForTheWin]

I'm not getting into this argument whether people should get one, it really should be personal choice ultimately.

I'm more commenting on the highlighted bit.

Who is vulnerable who can't get one? It's common knowledge that all vulnerable groups have had or been offered one and they now moved onto those who essentially don't really need it.

So, who is it everyone is now 'protecting'?

We live in a society where someone is always to blame. And where there’s blame, there’s money.

So they’re protecting their pockets

 

[Chief]

We live in a society where someone is always to blame. And where there’s blame, there’s money.

So they’re protecting their pockets

This is relevant to the story that the EFL wanted and proposed full stadiums next year.

Which is great, everyone want that. But there might have to be vaccine 'passports' for everyone wanting go go.

Why is that? Everyone deemed at risk and vulnerable has had at least one jab, and will definitely have had their second by then. They will probably have their booster lined up by autumn as well.

So, why does everyone have to be vaccinated to attend a football match? My kids are season ticket holders. One will be 12, the other 15 next season. They don't need to be vaccinated and I'm not having them vaccinated, not until a genuine timescale of due diligence, testing and follow up to those who've been vaccinated is actually done.

What I want to know would be; who are they protecting in being vaccinated? It's a question no one can properly answer at the moment as it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Chief]

My kids don't have and aren't offered a Flu jab either, which is a more basic way of making the same point I suppose.

That being, they don't need one and not having one has no effect whatsoever on anyone else.

 

[Archers Road]

It's like smoking. Back in the 90's when the rules came in about no smoking in public places and they (and I was one of them) had to fck off outside pubs, restaurants, places of work to smoke there was an outcry about "it's our rights!!!" Now nobody bats an eyelid about it. Everyone accepts it.

You want to kill yourself, that's up to you but don't bring the rest of us down with you. Should be the same for the antivaxxers

When I left school in 1977, smoking was practically compulsory in all workplaces. Though my first job was at British American Tobacco, come to think of it.

Anyway, we were better people for being a nation of chain smoking alcoholics.

 

[BobbyD]

You should take your own advice, as your logic on your odds was somewhat lacking.

A vaccine that may have a mortality rate of circa 1 in 1,000,000

Compared to a viral infection that has odds of mortality of circa 1 in 200.

Taking the former moves the odds on the latter to virtually zero for your demographic.

Choosing not to take it is your choice, but trying to justify that choice by using the odds, is simply delusional.

tbf to aberdude (maybe not in his instance i don't know how old he is), whats the mortality rate in the under 30s and thats when you take into consideration a lot of the under 30s might be asymptomatic and didnt know they had covid which means that the mortality rate will be lower due to this

 

[BobbyD]

This is relevant to the story that the EFL wanted and proposed full stadiums next year.

Which is great, everyone want that. But there might have to be vaccine 'passports' for everyone wanting go go.

Why is that? Everyone deemed at risk and vulnerable has had at least one jab, and will definitely have had their second by then. They will probably have their booster lined up by autumn as well.

So, why does everyone have to be vaccinated to attend a football match? My kids are season ticket holders. One will be 12, the other 15 next season. They don't need to be vaccinated and I'm not having them vaccinated, not until a genuine timescale of due diligence, testing and follow up to those who've been vaccinated is actually done.

What I want to know would be; who are they protecting in being vaccinated? It's a question no one can properly answer at the moment as it makes no sense whatsoever.

i believe the scientific reasoning is that if you don't have the vaccine, you could catch Covid. The more people who keep catching covid, the more likely it is to mutate so that the current vaccines that have been used might not work on these new variants.

 

[Archers Road]

Yeah..... And fighting on the terraces

Not on the dance floor though.

 

[Chief]

i believe the scientific reasoning is that if you don't have the vaccine, you could catch Covid. The more people who keep catching covid, the more likely it is to mutate so that the current vaccines that have been used might not work on these new variants.

Like Flu then?

Which not every single person in the the population has to have a vaccine for.

 

[SaintsForTheWin]

i believe the scientific reasoning is that if you don't have the vaccine, you could catch Covid. The more people who keep catching covid, the more likely it is to mutate so that the current vaccines that have been used might not work on these new variants.

So like every other virus? I understand but can’t see the logic behind it. Initially it was to save the nhs, now why? Even if the variant mutates, the vaccine is some form of protection to that new strain.

We could be in rinse repeat every year with the current action to Covid.

 

[Treble]

When I left school in 1977, smoking was practically compulsory in all workplaces. Though my first job was at British American Tobacco, come to think of it.

Anyway, we were better people for being a nation of chain smoking alcoholics.

I'm not so sure, I've seen old episodes of Please, Sir!

Your views are compromised sorry Archers.

 

[aberdude]

So like every other virus? I understand but can’t see the logic behind it. Initially it was to save the nhs, now why? Even if the variant mutates, the vaccine is some form of protection to that new strain.

We could be in rinse repeat every year with the current action to Covid.

logic at last u little tinker ew......they don't want it to go away by the way.....bigger pictures and all that.

New normal they said at the very start.....unless we fight against this reset in conditions for us peasants, the clear divide between haves and have nots will just keep widening.

Be careful what you wish for guys

 

[Treble]

This is utter guff.

Just take the vaccine or don't, and take the consequences either way.

The rest is just bollox.

 

[BobbyD]

Like Flu then?

Which not every single person in the the population has to have a vaccine for.

Just explaining why. For whatever reason people are going apeshit over coronavirus (to be fair its a bit more potent than flu). After the first lockdown i'd have just made this **** a free for all

 

[Archers Road]

This is utter guff.

Just take the vaccine or don't, and take the consequences either way.

The rest is just bollox.

Don't think this forum would exist at all without guff and bollocks mate.

 

[aberdude]

Don't think this forum would exist at all without guff and bollocks mate.

Bbc 2 confirm

 

[brb]

The vaccine does not make people immune from covid, it reduces the risk greatly but not to the stage of complete immunity. Also a lot of people have only had the first dose. Some people for one reason or another cannot have the vaccine. Then there is a differential uptake within ethnic minority groups which will further exacerbate their pre-existing health inequalities and increase further marginalisation of them. The younger generation are also at risk from the virus and have not been vaccinated, because they didn't come within the first nine groups. There are people making choices not to have the vaccine, so again it leaves them at risk.

I'm alright Jack so fook the rest of you!

 

[aberdude]

The vaccine does not make people immune from covid, it reduces the risk greatly but not to the stage of complete immunity. Also a lot of people have only had the first dose. Some people for one reason or another cannot have the vaccine. Then there is a differential uptake within ethnic minority groups which will further exacerbate their pre-existing health inequalities and increase further marginalisation of them. The younger generation are also at risk from the virus and have not been vaccinated, because they didn't come within the first nine groups. There are people making choices not to have the vaccine, so again it leaves them at risk.

I'm alright Jack so fook the rest of you!

And the moral of the story is?

 

[Tobes]

I can simplify it for you.......I dont need a vaccine ....why that should fk you off is beyond me.......you made a choice and so did I.

End of........I'll get on with my life and you can get on with yours.

Simple hey

It doesn’t **** me off, I couldn’t care less whether you choose to have a jab or not, I was merely pointing out that your logic in terms of the odds you were stating was fundamentally flawed.

Your snide posts about clots aimed at those on here who’ve had the AZ jab suggests that you’re trying to make out your choice is somehow superior to the ‘sheeple’, did **** me off though. So in terms of live and let live, try practising what you preach.

 

[Tobes]

tbf to aberdude (maybe not in his instance i don't know how old he is), whats the mortality rate in the under 30s and thats when you take into consideration a lot of the under 30s might be asymptomatic and didnt know they had covid which means that the mortality rate will be lower due to this

He’s well over 30 and not a woman.