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So if you/your loved ones fall victim to it and die you will be ok with that when you and or others wearing a mask could have saved you from catching it?

No different from the flu so your chances are just as good and no blame on the government or NHS.


What will make me very angry, is if a family member in need of treatment for a life threatening illness suffers more, or dies, as a result of increased waiting lists because NHS resources have been unnecessarily concentrated on one virus that has not proven to be as deadly as we were all told it was.

The fact that you all seem to be ignoring is that the likes of cancer, heart disease, and many other conditions are far more likely to kill you than covid 19. Yet so effective has been the brainwashing on most people that you are obsessed with it.
 
Your numbers are a bit off. The amount of deaths from flu range from 200k to 650k.

But a much better comparison between flu and Covid, IF both are left with little or no containment, is in America. I think we can agree the approach to containing it there is pretty much non-existent on a large scale (ignoring any limited attempts to lockdown). A couple of years ago the CDC estimated the number of deaths related to flu was between 16k to 50k from 2010 to 2016. The numbers for Covid in U.S. is already 150k mate. So you're talking anywhere between 3x to 10x the numbers and that's just 6 months worth.

I don't get how you can see the threat as exaggerated. I have no problem with you having your opinion btw.


Of course more vulnerable people are going to die from covid 19, because this is a new strain of virus. Our bodies need to adjust. It's exactly the same with a new strain of flu. I stated this clearly in a previous post. Why do you ignore this?

I also stated that you cannot hide from this type of virus, any more than you can hide from the flu or the common cold. It's going to get you, eventually. The Government, with its fear mongering about "a second spike" is being disingenuous, because its insistence on a lockdown has effectively guaranteed that there will be a second spike. No one is pointing this out, yet - you watch - the propaganda will use it for fear mongering and more pointless draconian infringements on our freedom and dignity.
 
Of course more vulnerable people are going to die from covid 19, because this is a new strain of virus. Our bodies need to adjust. It's exactly the same with a new strain of flu. I stated this clearly in a previous post. Why do you ignore this?

I also stated that you cannot hide from this type of virus, any more than you can hide from the flu or the common cold. It's going to get you, eventually. The Government, with its fear mongering about "a second spike" is being disingenuous, because its insistence on a lockdown has effectively guaranteed that there will be a second spike. No one is pointing this out, yet - you watch - the propaganda will use it for fear mongering and more pointless draconian infringements on our freedom and dignity.

I didn't ignore it. The same CDC report on rates of death from flu from 2010 to 2016 also stated that from the period 1976 to 2010 the rates of flu related death in U.S. was 3000 to 50,000. So they've increased on average, or at best stayed the same. Even if you want to make the flu comparison, I can't see how you can say ppl will naturally become more resistant to Covid over time when the data above contradicts this.
 
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What will make me very angry, is if a family member in need of treatment for a life threatening illness suffers more, or dies, as a result of increased waiting lists because NHS resources have been unnecessarily concentrated on one virus that has not proven to be as deadly as we were all told it was.

The fact that you all seem to be ignoring is that the likes of cancer, heart disease, and many other conditions are far more likely to kill you than covid 19. Yet so effective has been the brainwashing on most people that you are obsessed with it.

a) Do you still stand by your 110,000 deaths worldwide prediction?

b) Can we stop wearing seatbelts now deaths in road traffic accidents are lower?
 
The WHO estimates for worldwide flu deaths are between 290,000 and 650,000, dependent on the strain and the year. So 650,000 a year on average don’t die from flu.

If the numbers had been massaged as widely as they have been for covid 19, I suspect flus of the past would have looked like apocalyptic plagues.


Fake news.

The Government has exaggerated and misrepresented.

But you call it what you want to call it.
 
I can't see how you can say ppl will naturally become more resistant to Covid over time when the data above contradicts this.

How long has the flu been around?

How long have they been studying covid 19?
 
If the numbers had been massaged as widely as they have been for covid 19, I suspect flus of the past would have looked like apocalyptic plagues.




The Government has exaggerated and misrepresented.

But you call it what you want to call it.

Given that flu deaths tend to be based on estimation whereas covid19 deaths tend to be based on people who have tested positive what are you basing this on? Are you able to link any reliable proof/evidence of this wild claim.

Personally I think the zerganoids are behind it, as i laid out in previous posts. It is indeed one massive conspiracy and i have good reason to believe that no-one has actually died of Covid19, they have all been converted into skinwalkers for the purpose of inter-planetary hostile actions. I hope you get your information from the washing machine whirring like i do as it is one of the more reliable method of communication in these confusing times.
 
Huh?



What the hell has that got to do with anything?

Would wearing a face mask prevent more car accidents?

I just assumed that as we are ignoring lock-down and social distancing then presumably we are in the habit of ignoring all preventative measures and their certain effects on the raw numbers. If fewer people are dying in road traffic accidents then presumably we no longer need to worry about drunk-driving, speeding, seat-belts or any of the other measures that have come in. Cars just must not be as dangerous as we thought they were 50 years ago so lets slack all that off.

I reckon we should do the same with all health and safety, once the numbers go down it's evidence we didn't need it in the first place. You make a good point which is impossible to argue with. Now I'll catch you all later, I'm off to fireproof my house with asbestos.
 
If the numbers had been massaged as widely as they have been for covid 19, I suspect flus of the past would have looked like apocalyptic plagues
The Government has exaggerated and misrepresented.

But you call it what you want to call it.

What possible motive would a Govt, who at the start of lockdown stated that 20,000 deaths would be a ‘good outcome’ have for manipulating the figures upwards?

Also if this was a thing, why has Hancock been desperately trying to suggest this the PHE numbers are somehow overstated when compared to other nations, because we have the temerity to count anyone who’s been ill with it for more than 28 days before death?

Also, yet again you conveniently ignore the excess deaths figures which are merely indisputable fact.

Your argument has more holes than a Swiss cheese and a complete lack of holistic thinking.
 
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What possible motive would a Govt, who at the start of lockdown stated that 20,000 deaths would be a ‘good outcome’ have for manipulating the figures upwards?

Also if this was a thing, why has Hancock been desperately trying to suggest this the PHE numbers are somehow overstated when compared to other nations, because we have the temerity to count anyone who’s been ill with it for more than 28 days before death?

Also, yet again you conveniently ignore the excess deaths figures which are merely indisputable fact.

Your argument has more holes than a Swiss cheese and a complete lack of holistic thinking.

Have you considered the 30000 people who contracted Covid and then got hit by a bus?
 
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It simply cannot be disputed that the figures for covid 19 deaths have been massaged. There have been whistle blowers from within the medical professions, all over the world telling us this, as well as angry relatives saying that the death of their loved one was put down to covid when it simply was not the case.

You can ignore this evidence all you want, but I choose not to.

You won't actually post a source for these claims though will you?

Thought not.
 
What possible motive would a Govt, who at the start of lockdown stated that 20,000 deaths would be a ‘good outcome’ have for manipulating the figures upwards?


I don't know why the Governments of the world do what they do. As I asked in a previous post, "do you think governments tell us everything, or do you think they keep secrets?"

Perhaps it's as simple as having to justify the ridiculous projected mortality rates we were all fed at the start, to justify the draconian restrictions forced on us, and the destruction of people's businesses and lives.

You're clearly too dim to work this out for yourself, and I am growing tired of trying to explain these concepts to an idiot.
 
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You can ignore this evidence all you want, but I choose not to.

You’re more than happy to completely ignore this irrefutable evidence though, as it doesn’t fit your chosen narrative.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

You have zero interest in the actual truth, merely trying to protect the position you’ve chosen to take on this issue, and with it, your precious and extremely fragile ego.
 
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