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Boris...

  • should completely lock us down immediately and fook up all our Christmas'

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • let the bodies stack high

    Votes: 13 54.2%

  • lock us down from the 29th to fook up Treble's plans

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
    24
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Welshie said:
Yes, and Trump won in Florida by around 100,000 votes, Donald Trump also received a depressingly high 24% (yes its gone up) of the Latino community. It's highly arguable that vote won him Florida.
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You missed the point again. I showed Florida because I see it as a key state (no pun intended), an influential state. I do not see Florida as a poor state, that's not to say poverty don't exist in Florida, because it does if you fall in the belt between Miami and the Everglades, known as Homestead, I didn't just research or look this up, I know my geography of the area :)
 
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In no way do I want to sound dismissive, but if those people wanted to get some medical aid, they should have voted for a candidate that wanted them to get better healthcare.

The minorities in America voted in depressingly high numbers for Donald Trump now those same minorities, specifically the black community, have voted in extremely high numbers for Joe Biden. While Bernie Sanders was running on a ticket aimed towards making their healthcare more universal, they personally pushed through a candidate that is as status quo as they come.

I seriously do not think there's anyway to improve the situation for Americans, they are against every single form of reform one can imagine. It doesn't matter if you shoot up schools with assault rifles, or dig mass graves in New York, you will not encourage them to vote for anything slightly drastic. Donald Trumps main campaign points were as standard Republican as you can get.
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Whilst I'm not sure about your numbers on the minority vote, I tend to agree with your overall point about Americans when it comes to politics. They really go by jingoism over substance. Add to that the 39% women who voted for Trump (47% of white women) after he was clearly outed as a vulgar scummy **** who has such a low opinion of women, in large parts because they didn't like Hilary just about sums up the American mindset.

And btw the jingoism comment applies just as much to Obama as it does Trump. Now don't get me wrong, I think Obama was a far better candidate than Trump. But the motivation for voting for him for a significant percentage of the american electorate was he looked cool and sounded good.
 
But, but....Liverpool FC is bigger than the Virus, that's why Kenny Dalglish shows no symptoms...according to the world of @astro
 
I've heard 2 things today for the first time,don't really know how true they are:

They're taking blood from survivors and using it for transfusions for sufferers (anti-bodies)

People with blood group "A" have a high fatality rate.

Could well be nonsense but interesting all the same.
 
brb said:
You missed the point again. I showed Florida because I see it as a key state (no pun intended), an influential state. I do not see Florida as a poor state, that's not to say poverty don't exist in Florida, because it does if you fall in the belt between Miami and the Everglades, known as Homestead, I didn't just research or look this up, I know my geography of the area :)
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Some of Florida's poorest areas are it's Latino areas, as is the general trend across the US. The place you cited Homestead is around 65% Hispanic.

I get what you're saying, I hope, and that is that the US election is down to the delegates from states and single minority voters can't sway an entire election. But my main point was geared towards in the elections that the US's poorest citizens can cause radical change and vote for a candidate with serious desire for something new, they consistently don't.

I won't buy the excuse that it's because Sanders wouldn't have beaten Trump, or because he's finished. If his message of universal healthcare, better wages, and other reforms really resonated with the poorest in America - they would have voted for that candidate.

It's exactly as @Treble says, if the candidate isn't shiny enough in America, they don't give a ****. I'm not being dismissive, it's terrible what's happening, but I don't think they're doing things right at all.
 
Welshie said:
Some of Florida's poorest areas are it's Latino areas, as is the general trend across the US. The place you cited Homestead is around 65% Hispanic.

I get what you're saying, I hope, and that is that the US election is down to the delegates from states and single minority voters can't sway an entire election. But my main point was geared towards in the elections that the US's poorest citizens can cause radical change and vote for a candidate with serious desire for something new, they consistently don't.

I won't buy the excuse that it's because Sanders wouldn't have beaten Trump, or because he's finished. If his message of universal healthcare, better wages, and other reforms really resonated with the poorest in America - they would have voted for that candidate.

It's exactly as @Treble says, if the candidate isn't shiny enough in America, they don't give a ****. I'm not being dismissive, it's terrible what's happening, but I don't think they're doing things right at all.
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That part isn't true though mate. As we agree the candidate has to be jingoistic. The right wing would've torn Sanders to pieces. Agree though he was the best candidate but as we've said the Americans don't always see the best candidate.
 
astro said:
Nope, the league must be finished otherwise it's financially untenable. Voiding the season is voiding many clubs' existence. This clip is linked to whether people will enjoy watching PL games behind closed doors.

I think Tobes and many others on here have lost touch with the game. The vast majority of fans don't get to go in person, let alone have a season ticket. Season ticket holders are the 1% taking their privilege for granted.
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Most football clubs have around 70% of fans as Season Ticket Holders
 
Welshie said:
Some of Florida's poorest areas are it's Latino areas, as is the general trend across the US. The place you cited Homestead is around 65% Hispanic.

I get what you're saying, I hope, and that is that the US election is down to the delegates from states and single minority voters can't sway an entire election. But my main point was geared towards in the elections that the US's poorest citizens can cause radical change and vote for a candidate with serious desire for something new, they consistently don't.

I won't buy the excuse that it's because Sanders wouldn't have beaten Trump, or because he's finished. If his message of universal healthcare, better wages, and other reforms really resonated with the poorest in America - they would have voted for that candidate.

It's exactly as @Treble says, if the candidate isn't shiny enough in America, they don't give a ****. I'm not being dismissive, it's terrible what's happening, but I don't think they're doing things right at all.
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It’s akin to working class northerners voting for Johnson and the Tories as they weren’t having Corbyn for whatever reason.

The downtrodden being persuaded to vote against what’s in their best interests is nothing new, and is driven by media grooming and gaslighting.
 
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Welshie said:
Some of Florida's poorest areas are it's Latino areas, as is the general trend across the US. The place you cited Homestead is around 65% Hispanic.

I get what you're saying, I hope, and that is that the US election is down to the delegates from states and single minority voters can't sway an entire election. But my main point was geared towards in the elections that the US's poorest citizens can cause radical change and vote for a candidate with serious desire for something new, they consistently don't.

I won't buy the excuse that it's because Sanders wouldn't have beaten Trump, or because he's finished. If his message of universal healthcare, better wages, and other reforms really resonated with the poorest in America - they would have voted for that candidate.

It's exactly as @Treble says, if the candidate isn't shiny enough in America, they don't give a ****. I'm not being dismissive, it's terrible what's happening, but I don't think they're doing things right at all.
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I'm bored with this game now. Can we talk about Liverpool. @astro
 
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