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Boris...

  • should completely lock us down immediately and fook up all our Christmas'

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • let the bodies stack high

    Votes: 13 54.2%

  • lock us down from the 29th to fook up Treble's plans

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
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afcftw said:
In February the response started to take shape. No disagreement from me there. But the monumental shift from what the nhs was doing before and what it is doing now and preparing for now is colossal. There is no magic wand to immediately deal with all of the issues that were going to occur across such a huge organisation.

There were always going to be mistakes. There were always going to be failings. But the overall response and the impact that will make in dealing with this is something we should be proud of as a country. Not be looking for who to blame for everything not going to plan, or for not having the perfect plan.
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You sound like a Tory party cabinet member !
WE HAD PRIOR WARNING !
Dont you get that or are you just trying to save face here .
Theres nurses all over the local news here holding up banners saying
Mask
Giggles
Gown
Gloves
 
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Julian Edelman said:
You

You sound like a Tory party cabinet member !
WE HAD PRIOR WARNING !
Dont you get that or are you just trying to save face here .
Theres nurses all over the local news here holding up banners saying
Mask
Giggles
Gown
Gloves
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Like I said, you’re too emotional to bother having this discussion with.
 
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afcftw said:
In February the response started to take shape. No disagreement from me there. But the monumental shift from what the nhs was doing before and what it is doing now and preparing for now is colossal. There is no magic wand to immediately deal with all of the issues that were going to occur across such a huge organisation.

There were always going to be mistakes. There were always going to be failings. But the overall response and the impact that will make in dealing with this is something we should be proud of as a country. Not be looking for who to blame for everything not going to plan, or for not having the perfect plan.
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The herd plan was bonkers.
 
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afcftw said:
And there is the flaw in your argument. You think you’re arguing against the tories but the reality is your slating the nhs but you’re too stupid to realise it.

I have no interest in supporting one party or another in this. It’s bigger than that. And if you can’t see that you’re an idiot.
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I can see an underfunded service doing its best.
When the funds are tight the first thing out the window is contingency.
 
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afcftw said:
By all means say there should have been action earlier. The entire world will be saying the same thing when this is over.

There are layers upon layers of people at all levels within many organisations in every country who will wish they had acted sooner.

But when the reality started to hit home people have acted as well as they can. Government are in constant contact over this with senior figures in nhs England, public health England, universities and the scientists.

It’s ****. It would have been great if we acted sooner. It would have been great if most countries in the world acted sooner. That’s easy to say with hindsight though. And what we are seeing now and have been seeing since the reality of this set in is incredible hard work and action across the board from government, the NHS senior figures, NHS frontline staff etc...
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I don't doubt for one second that everyone from top to bottom is doing their level best in what can only be described as a complete ****storm of a situation. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing and we will all have things that we wish we had prepared better knowing what we know now. I am also sure that even within everyone doing their best that mistakes will be being made and weaknesses within the system showing up. I also believe that mistakes would be made no matter who was in charge and that those same weaknesses in the system would have come into play. Now is not the time to be apportioning blame but rather pulling together to get through this. That doesn't mean that those facing shortages or finding weaknesses in the system shouldn't highlight them though, otherwise they will never be sorted. Once this is all over I hope we can all recognise that everyone has done their best during this crisis, with many at the frontline going above and beyond. I also hope everyone is open to examining what could have been done better, what we can learn going forward, what level of realistic healthcare preparedness would have made things better (recognising it could never have been enough for a pandemic) and level of health system are we willing and prepared to pay for going forward.

To emphasise again though, I have nothing but the utmost respect for everyone facing up to this crisis. Decisions being made now will have life and death consequences for others and for many of those making the difficult decisions. It's a responsibility I don't envy at all. There will be many hard questions to answer later, but none as hard as the questions facing people day to day during this crisis.
 
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afcftw said:
I find it hilarious that normally I am attacked for daring to speak out against the left and yet when I passionately support the NHS I’m attacked as if somehow that’s stupid and right wing.
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You may not be stupid. Not sure about that. Jury still out.

You’re definitely right wing though. Which means, statistically, that the likelihood of stupidity is greater in you than would otherwise be the case.
 
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Looney Leftie said:
I can see an underfunded service doing its best.
When the funds are tight the first thing out the window is contingency.
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There could have been funds vastly above what they are and there still would have been a lack of pandemic contingency.
 
afcftw said:
I find it hilarious that normally I am attacked for daring to speak out against the left and yet when I passionately support the NHS I’m attacked as if somehow that’s stupid and right wing.
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That’s not why they’re disagreeing with you fella. You know that.
 
Julian Edelman said:
And your blind faith is misguided at best
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Like I said, it isn’t blind faith, it’s seeing the stats the nhs make their decisions on and having very senior meetings happening in a way that I’m able to hear exactly what is going on. I won’t go into detail because I don’t want to break any confidentiality. But this outbreak has given me a new respect and understanding of the nhs and the system and how ****inghard they are working despite the constant pressure over whether they are doing well enough.
 
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