Coronavirus

Now there is a mental orgy no one should have to suffer

 

Yeah I don’t get quite how that has happened but it has amongst many it seems.

 

It would be fine mate, no trouble at all ...

 

I think a large part is, not just on coof, is that our media and institutions have unashamedly chosen political sides, and social media of course, where it's algorithms herd people into echo chambers

 

no trouble for you

 

Just think so many folk have become entrenched in their views now, that it's about being right rather than actually being right, if you get my drift ?

An incompetent Govt that have given mixed messages and sacked off scientific advice hasn't helped of course.

 

This ^^^

 

Yeah but the correlation between COVID deniers and the far right though? I don’t get it, but it’s defo a thing.

 

or to put it more succinctly, a complete lack of confidence in our governments which is why there is now a huge sway from one side to the other.

The last Tory majority was really surprising, and it was certainly caused by normally labour voters having no confidence in Labour

Now it seems those voters have no confidence in the Tory gov either.

What happens when the population at large has no faith in either? We're finding out now, slowly, but inexorably..

 

Deregulation is my best guess. The right wing don't want Govt calling the shots on anything, they want it all left to the market. That whips up the likes of Julia Hartley Brewer etc, but in turn that attracts the ultra right wing nutters who think their Govt's are planning to microchip them all.

 

I said it ages ago on the old politics thread, but party politics is dead for me. The old idea of a top down govt calling the shots with blanket policies and an opposition sitting to oppose policies they don't like has lost all faith with the electorate. I see the future being much more devolved, with local councils and mayors having more of a say in what happens in their areas.

We're seeing some shoots of this with Andy Burnham v Tory Govt issue.

 

Oh I don't know...

You're probably going to say they're both lining each other's pockets

Welcome back Sisu

 

Part of the problem is that term, that's the level of national discourse every western country has seemed to devolved into.

I've seen very good scientific reasons for taking a different approach, yet I also don't want people to die.
I guess if I broached any of those scientific arguments, one might be able to call me a covid denier or similar

I have seen both right wing and left wing nuts throw conspiracies around throughout all of this

Seriously, one can go and look at conspiracy theorists on COVID and 5g and see, that at least half of them are left wing anti war anti capitalism types

One needs a sufficient data set to get a good picture

Lastly, the media are the main ones fueling this "right wing believe this nonsense" "left wing believe this nonsense" stuff because the media have already chosen sides since about 2014, openly chosen sides

 

You are right imo.

Party politics override the wishes of the constituents for MPs because the party is all.

But I dont know the answer to that problem

 

True. My concern is that broadly left leaning anti establishment types are being sucked into this narrative because a lot of it is anti-establishment.

I wonder how many of them are aware of the actual right wing funding from people like the Koch brothers etc is driving much of this agenda

 

Instead of MP's being elected to Parliament, the Council Leader should be elected to represent their area in the HOC instead.

 

No idea myself.

I do know that the career to these people seems to be the all, and that is a real problem

It's actually one of the areas within the socialism sphere that appeals to me, at least theoretically, in that the idea is the politician is not a careerist who makes a fortune from being a politician.

The Americans have taken that game to a whole new level where every administration uses the offices of gov to make vast personal fortunes

 

I wasn’t referring to the ones who are literally paid to shill for the right though or their paymasters. I meant your EDL type knuckle heads who’ve been prominent at the KBF marches against masks lol & are often complete deniers on SM. Might be the QAnon angle thinking about it.

 

No, by denier I mean denier, not those who are advocating different ways of dealing with the virus. Those who deny it’s an actual thing.

 

Ah, of course, though I am not fond of "denier". They have reasons for why they believe that, and probably what seem to us like ridiculous reasons are why they believe that

There's a lot to be said for trying to understand 'why' someone thinks the way they do. You will find in 99% of cases that when someone believes something ridiculous, there are reasons why they do, and those reasons can be many.

For example, the Vampire panic in parts of Africa 2 years ago, where people were murdered because someone pointed and said "he's a vampire".
We "could" say these people are conspiracy nuts, but the real reason is lack of basic education and prevalence of and acting on basically what is superstition

I am not slating Africans, we were doing the same things with witches, now all of us know witches cannot be real, and in time those places in Africa will know vampires are not real