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Beth what are we to do? continue to have us all locked down for life? Shall we all live in Michael Jackson bubbles? You will be the first to complain when the economy sinks and people can’t get important operations.
We need to live with it.

I have never suggested bubbles. See my above post....

I have no idea how any of any of my suggestions, for say another 4 to 6 weeks ( weather permitting), are going to impinge on the mental health or economic health of country
 
I have never suggested bubbles. See my above post....

I have no idea how any of any of my suggestions, for say another 4 to 6 weeks ( weather permitting), are going to impinge on the mental health or economic health of country
Is omnicron the final stage or will there be something else along in say 4 to 6 weeks
Could be wearing masks for years to come yet
Get my booster tomorrow should I be able to make it through the anti vaccers
 
It seems a bit bizarre to stop the supply of LFT’s, at least until spring. Knowing how things are going seems to make sense, as well as allowing those that are careful and considerate enough to take appropriate steps to not spread this contagion unnecessarily.

Have ordered a pack of LFTs now so that at least I can test should I feel any symptoms and take steps to quarantine myself suitably.
 
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Why are you, Ellers and Col, so against wearing a mask in confined spaces ( eg on the tube/ bus)...and testing to see if you have Covid...and isolating or just staying away from vulnerable people, if you have it ( and not if you haven't).
And only until we are clear of winter weather and into Spring when we can open windows and go out into fresh air

I am sorry but none of those things will affect our national mental health, impinge on our ability to use the NHS, or affect our personal rights.

I think you are being irrational to be honest

I'll continue to wear a mask for as long as I feel I should.
Strange assumptions you're making Beth.

Maybe let's just agree to differ a little.
 
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It seems a bit bizarre to stop the supply of LFT’s, at least until spring. Knowing how things are going seems to make sense, as well as allowing those that are careful and considerate enough to take appropriate steps to not spread this contagion unnecessarily.

Have ordered a pack of LFTs now so that at least I can test should I feel any symptoms and take steps to quarantine myself suitably.

I think most people will behave the same.
We've ordered more tests too and will continue to wear masks and protect others when appropriate.

The government can't hold our hands forever and the numbers are now less than a winter flu outbreak.
 
Why are you, Ellers and Col, so against wearing a mask in confined spaces ( eg on the tube/ bus)...and testing to see if you have Covid...and isolating or just staying away from vulnerable people, if you have it ( and not if you haven't).
And only until we are clear of winter weather and into Spring when we can open windows and go out into fresh air

I am sorry but none of those things will affect our national mental health, impinge on our ability to use the NHS, or affect our personal rights.

I think you are being irrational to be honest
Where have I mentioned masks? I don’t know what you are on about Beth.
 
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I'll continue to wear a mask for as long as I feel I should.
Strange assumptions you're making Beth.

Maybe let's just agree to differ a little.
Agree I don’t understand the mask thing she is going on about. Most people will probably wear them in certain places anyway.
 
And Macron and the EU are estimated to have cost tens of thousands of lives too when they wrongly rubbished Astra Zenica.

Are you as upset with them?

When would you stop restrictions Beth?
How many lives have been ruined due to the restrictions?
How many will die as a direct result of the restrictions and not getting diagnosed early enough?
If Boris had shut down earlier, how many more lives would have been ruined? How many more missed diagnosis of cancer etc?

People need to take responsibility and be considerate of others if they think they have covid/flu etc.
The state can't run our lives forever, as much as you'd like it to.

Enough!!

Norway and other countries after much research, 2 separate expert groups in Norway, calculated they would save lives by stopping the use of Astra Zenica and using MRNA vaccines instead. Even the UK age restricted it. Not so many were dying of Covid per head in Norway as in the UK, so that was part of the reasoning.
 
Beth what are we to do? continue to have us all locked down for life? Shall we all live in Michael Jackson bubbles? You will be the first to complain when the economy sinks and people can’t get important operations.
We need to live with it.

You need to wear a mask though outside your house to protect the at risk and elderly. Selfish not to.
 
Why are you, Ellers and Col, so against wearing a mask in confined spaces ( eg on the tube/ bus)...and testing to see if you have Covid...and isolating or just staying away from vulnerable people, if you have it ( and not if you haven't).
And only until we are clear of winter weather and into Spring when we can open windows and go out into fresh air

I am sorry but none of those things will affect our national mental health, impinge on our ability to use the NHS, or affect our personal rights.

I think you are being irrational to be honest
Availability of free test kits aside, all that has changed is the legal compulsion to wear masks (although individual organisations like TFL can require it) and isolate. The is no compulsion NOT to do these things. Isolation is tricky for those on limited income which they will lose without income support. I agree that people should be able to test for nothing and isolate without starving. But, broadly, individuals have to start taking responsibility rather than the government making the decisions for them. Your anger with the government could just as easily be directed at the people who refuse to do the right thing for their neighbours.

I’ll be wearing a mask in certain situations. But, just like you, not in the pub which I think is the riskiest place I go for catching an infectious, airborne virus. If I catch COVID I will isolate, and I would expect others to do so as well.
 
You need to wear a mask though outside your house to protect the at risk and elderly. Selfish not to.
Totally agree that you should wear masks in certain places. It’s down to peoples personal responsibilities. I won’t get into the mask argument but 90% of people break the rules when wearing masks.
 
It seems a bit bizarre to stop the supply of LFT’s, at least until spring. Knowing how things are going seems to make sense, as well as allowing those that are careful and considerate enough to take appropriate steps to not spread this contagion unnecessarily.

Have ordered a pack of LFTs now so that at least I can test should I feel any symptoms and take steps to quarantine myself suitably.

probably because it's costing the government an arm and a leg for them (also private companies can earn millions selling them).
 
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Agree I don’t understand the mask thing she is going on about. Most people will probably wear them in certain places anyway.

Beth is understandably worried about the whole situation and scientists, rightly, view this stuff slightly differently, dealing as they do in absolutes.
Agree to differ eh?
 
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Availability of free test kits aside, all that has changed is the legal compulsion to wear masks (although individual organisations like TFL can require it) and isolate. The is no compulsion NOT to do these things. Isolation is tricky for those on limited income which they will lose without income support. I agree that people should be able to test for nothing and isolate without starving. But, broadly, individuals have to start taking responsibility rather than the government making the decisions for them. Your anger with the government could just as easily be directed at the people who refuse to do the right thing for their neighbours.

I’ll be wearing a mask in certain situations. But, just like you, not in the pub which I think is the riskiest place I go for catching an infectious, airborne virus. If I catch COVID I will isolate, and I would expect others to do so as well.

Why, if you think the pub is the most likely place for you to catch covid do you say that's the one place you won't wear a mask (I realise you can't whilst actually eating or drinking)?
 
Totally agree that you should wear masks in certain places. It’s down to peoples personal responsibilities. I won’t get into the mask argument but 90% of people break the rules when wearing masks.
Because they aren't wearing them properly? I see loads of tourists here who wear them without covering their nose, or neither nose or mouth. That's not wearing a mask imo, and they should be locked away with the thousands testing positive.
 
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Why, if you think the pub is the most likely place for you to catch covid do you say that's the one place you won't wear a mask (I realise you can't whilst actually eating or drinking)?
Multiple answers, the foremost of which is that I am clearly an idiot. There is no logic to this behaviour. A few months ago I wouldn’t have gone into a pub at all, but my worry about catching COVID (and I recognise it can be nasty as you well know) is significantly lower than it was, due to vaccination and the nature of this variant. But that is post hoc rationalisation. Pubs are for conversation, which is severely limited without being able to see you friends’ faces, as well as booze. I suppose I have taken an unconscious risk assessment and decided that my enjoyment of unfettered social time with friends is worth it. But until now I haven’t really thought it through.
 
I'll continue to wear a mask for as long as I feel I should.
Strange assumptions you're making Beth.

Maybe let's just agree to differ a little.
I actually don't think we do differ Col.
I think you and I will do exactly the same. We will wear a mask when we think is needed...my case public transport, my weekly tescos shop etc.
I will test when I feel necessary for as long as I have tests.
When I am ill, I will self isolate away from people
 
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Multiple answers, the foremost of which is that I am clearly an idiot. There is no logic to this behaviour. A few months ago I wouldn’t have gone into a pub at all, but my worry about catching COVID (and I recognise it can be nasty as you well know) is significantly lower than it was, due to vaccination and the nature of this variant. But that is post hoc rationalisation. Pubs are for conversation, which is severely limited without being able to see you friends’ faces, as well as booze. I suppose I have taken an unconscious risk assessment and decided that my enjoyment of unfettered social time with friends is worth it. But until now I haven’t really thought it through.

Yep, and this is quite a good example of the way the government are now approaching the whole thing imo.

Make your own judgement.
Be considerate to others.

You're right that it's milder, but I wouldn't wish that sore throat on anyone.
Feeling a little better, but still a bit light headed and feeling like I have a head cold, without much snot!
Just tested positive still, on day six since the initial positive test.
 
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Because they aren't wearing them properly? I see loads of tourists here who wear them without covering their nose, or neither nose or mouth. That's not wearing a mask imo, and they should be locked away with the thousands testing positive.
Totally agree.
I see people pulling them down to talk.
Not wearing them over their nose.
Keep touching them
Using them more than once. Put in pocket and use later

all the above makes them useless.
 
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Here's another weird symptom.
If I move around a bit, like take a shower, make some food, go up and down stairs, I get a stitch in my side.
Anyone know why this could be (sensible answers would be appreciated)?