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This lateral flow test being as good as a PCR is rubbish...

The real reason we are changing to lateral flows is that PCR are logged in, and recorded... anyone can take a lateral flow, and you don't have to record the result.

We are number fiddling again
PCRs can’t keep up with demand. We are expecting a postal PCR for my son to arrive today. It was ordered yesterday, none available on Sunday and Monday and no drive through slots available within 50 miles. By the time he’s sent it back (it will be posted, if it arrives, today) and got a result it could well be over a week since he first showed symptoms. He’ll be doing the early release LFTs from tomorrow. What’s the point?

I’ve done a few LFTs over the last few months, but I’ve only logged the result on the NHS website once. Should I be doing it every time? Should every one? Are they? Of course not.

The infection stats are hopelessly inaccurate, but probably directionally correct. Loads of people have got COVID, many probably without knowing it, either no or very mild symptoms. If the symptoms are like my son’s - a really heavy cold and cough - it would be pretty anti social to be at work. In a pre covid world you wouldn’t want someone that obviously ill, even if not seriously ill, working next to you or sneezing on a bus.

With the chronic shortage of LFTs and the similarity of omicron symptoms to a cold I imagine we are on the brink of the whole test and isolate system collapsing, which might not be a bad thing, as there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that isolation is reducing infection rates. If you are ill stay at home, if you are really ill call the NHS, if they advise you go to A&E. Regardless of cause of illness.

While writing PCR test kit arrived…..
 
I am quoting the Kings Fund, which monitors such things Ellers.

Discarding the last two years and the purely Covid related funding ( nightingale hospitals, vaccine rollout)... this is what the Kings Fund state.

During the period of austerity that followed the 2008 economic crash, the Department of Health and Social Care budget continued to grow but at a slower pace than in previous years. Budgets rose by 1.4 per cent each year on average (adjusting for inflation) in the 10 years between 2009/10 to 2018/19, compared to the 3.7 per cent average rises since the NHS was established
I think you hit the nail on the head... after the economic crash.
 
Where? The Tories like to tell us that they are putting 'record sums' into the NHS, but in real terms investment has fallen.
So once again Stroller you go back to default and blame the Tories without looking at all the imformatioin. As I said recently under Labour they desemated our local hospital, closing all the baby wards and many other departments. It's not just under a tory government that the NHS has had problems.
Maybe if Blair hadn't wasted trillions on that stupid war there would have been more funds available?
 
So once again Stroller you go back to default and blame the Tories without looking at all the imformatioin. As I said recently under Labour they desemated our local hospital, closing all the baby wards and many other departments. It's not just under a tory government that the NHS has had problems.
Maybe if Blair hadn't wasted trillions on that stupid war there would have been more funds available?

I looked at the information, here it is again...

NHS spending as a percentage of GDP: 1950 – 2020 | The Nuffield Trust

Admittedly this doesn't identify specific information relating to your local hospital.
 
I looked at the information, here it is again...

NHS spending as a percentage of GDP: 1950 – 2020 | The Nuffield Trust

Admittedly this doesn't identify specific information relating to your local hospital.
And that tells me that it dropped under labour in both 2009 and 2010. You need to remember the economic crash. You are probably correct Labour had thrown loads of money into things and the borrowing went up. I remember that famous 'we spent all the money' letter (disgusting tbh) and the Tories then tried to get the house back in order. Put up one of those borrowing charts and see what labour did in 2009/10.
 
Okay read what Boris said...if you have a positive lateral flow but no symptoms you don't need to take a PCR.

Well if this true, and it happens to me. I am going to lie through my teeth and say I have symptoms. I want to know if I really do have covid, and before I shed virus over my daughter, very young granddaughter and best friend who has spinal muscular atrophy.
 
Okay read what Boris said...if you have a positive lateral flow but no symptoms you don't need to take a PCR.

Well if this true, and it happens to me. I am going to lie through my teeth and say I have symptoms. I want to know if I really do have covid, and before I shed virus over my daughter, very young granddaughter and best friend who has spinal muscular atrophy.
I didnt think anyone listened to a word johnson said anymore. Just do whats right for yourself and your own, thats what i say. **** Johnson, everyone knows hes full of ****.
 
Okay read what Boris said...if you have a positive lateral flow but no symptoms you don't need to take a PCR.

Well if this true, and it happens to me. I am going to lie through my teeth and say I have symptoms. I want to know if I really do have covid, and before I shed virus over my daughter, very young granddaughter and best friend who has spinal muscular atrophy.
Why don’t you just assume that you do have covid with a positive LFT? Isn’t false negatives the problem with LFTs? I thought they were very specific but not very sensitive?
 
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You never have an answers or alternatives. You just moan at the government and go quiet when the opposition talks rubbish.

Funnily enough, I was driving home thinking the same thing. Not about WWR in particular, but how a lot of responses are “yeah, but, the bloody Tories are **** and you can’t do this because they did that and it can’t (somehow) be undone”.
 
Funnily enough, I was driving home thinking the same thing. Not about WWR in particular, but how a lot of responses are “yeah, but, the bloody Tories are **** and you can’t do this because they did that and it can’t (somehow) be undone”.
My point exactly. Should we have listened to Labour and locked the country down on the 12th Dec? We would still be in Lockdown now if we had listened to Starmer. Yet some will just moan with whatever Boris says or does and have no credible answers.
 
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My point exactly. Should we have listened to Labour and locked the country down on the 12th Dec? We would still be in Lockdown now if we had listened to Starmer. Yet some will just moan with whatever Boris says or does and have no credible answers.
I wasnt aware that labour wanted to lock the country down on the 12th. I do know that they helped the Liar pass this 'plan b' thing, whatever that is, despite the efforts from the Tory back benches to thwart it.
 
I wasnt aware that labour wanted to lock the country down on the 12th. I do know that they helped the Liar pass this 'plan b' thing, whatever that is, despite the efforts from the Tory back benches to thwart it.
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