Off Topic Coronavirus

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mapleranger said:
Am I out of touch on this or not - my understanding was not that the vaccines stop transmission of the virus - but with the vaccines, if you are infected, the chances are better that you will stay out of the |ICU/morgue than without them. It is not going to give one full immunity
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Your understanding of this is correct Maple. Those who are vaccinated can still transmit the disease, though the time period in which they can do this is much shorter than by non vaccinated people. Also the fact that vaccinated people, if they catch the disease, are more likely to be non symptomatic than the unvaccinated are, could mean that they play a large part in the further transmission of this disease. Unfortunately many vaccinated people thought that, for them, the pandemic was over but they/we are still very much a part of it. A real vaccination program looks different to this - it can only really work if you do it quickly and on a compulsory basis. Those on here who are old enough to remember the 60s will also remember the vaccines which we were issued with in those days - Polio, Tuberculosis, Measles etc. etc. and the question of choice didn't arise. We now know that many of these diseases were banished from the Western World as a result and only as a result of compulsory vaccination. Had there been an effective anti vaccine brigade around then then we would have a lot more disfigured children around now.
 
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colognehornet said:
Your understanding of this is correct Maple. Those who are vaccinated can still transmit the disease, though the time period in which they can do this is much shorter than by non vaccinated people. Also the fact that vaccinated people, if they catch the disease, are more likely to be non symptomatic than the unvaccinated are, could mean that they play a large part in the further transmission of this disease. Unfortunately many vaccinated people thought that, for them, the pandemic was over but they/we are still very much a part of it. A real vaccination program looks different to this - it can only really work if you do it quickly and on a compulsory basis. Those on here who are old enough to remember the 60s will also remember the vaccines which we were issued with in those days - Polio, Tuberculosis, Measles etc. etc. and the question of choice didn't arise. We now know that many of these diseases were banished from the Western World as a result and only as a result of compulsory vaccination. Had there been an effective anti vaccine brigade around then then we would have a lot more disfigured children around now.
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Love you Cologne Hornet
 
Booster jab done, Moderna, which I had forgotten all about. Very similar to Pfizer, I think.

All kicking off again in Europe. For what it’s worth, I don’t think lockdowns are the answer, surely they just put waves off, unless you combine with near 100% vaccination or previous infection? Hospitalisation and death rates here still too high, especially hospitalisations, but they are relatively stable, almost regardless of the daily announcements of confirmed infections.

There are still 5 million U.K. adults (over 16) who haven’t had any vaccination.
 
sb_73 said:
Booster jab done, Moderna, which I had forgotten all about. Very similar to Pfizer, I think.

All kicking off again in Europe. For what it’s worth, I don’t think lockdowns are the answer, surely they just put waves off, unless you combine with near 100% vaccination or previous infection? Hospitalisation and death rates here still too high, especially hospitalisations, but they are relatively stable, almost regardless of the daily announcements of confirmed infections.

There are still 5 million U.K. adults (over 16) who haven’t had any vaccination.
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I had my booster on Wednesday. It was Pfizer, as were my first two, but after not even noticing those, this one was sore afterwards and I felt like **** the next day.

As regards further lockdowns, we might well get lucky. Having opened up sooner than the rest of Europe, we had the surge in cases during the summer and might avoid a disastrous winter as a result.
 
West WindsR said:
Schlepped to Heathrow for a PCR before flying tomorrow.

Came back inconclusive. Had to schlep back there for a second one. I hope a Tory donor is making a tidy margin on these at least.
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What the ****? I know you aren’t too far from Heathrow, but that’s daft. Mate of mine was over from the US for work a couple of weeks ago. He had to do a self administered lateral flow test on FaceTime with a airline official the day before he flew back. Of course that evening we hit the town properly, he was in crowded pubs for hours…..

Drug interaction - Moderna jab and red wine ……mmmmmm rapid onset red wine effect
 
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Having my second shot tomorrow.
I was sick as a dog after the first AstraZeneca.
Fingers crossed for the second.
 
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Stroller said:
I had my booster on Wednesday. It was Pfizer, as were my first two, but after not even noticing those, this one was sore afterwards and I felt like **** the next day.

As regards further lockdowns, we might well get lucky. Having opened up sooner than the rest of Europe, we had the surge in cases during the summer and might avoid a disastrous winter as a result.
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Apparently because we started vaccinating early, even though other countries have now caught up and overtaken us, we have a much bigger % of the population eligible for the booster after the recommended 6 month gap from the second jab. And it’s the booster which gives the spectacular rates of defence.

I ****ing hope it does, because after zero reaction to my first two AZ jabs, the Moderna booster has given me the sore arm but also aches and shivers today.
 
sb_73 said:
What the ****? I know you aren’t too far from Heathrow, but that’s daft. Mate of mine was over from the US for work a couple of weeks ago. He had to do a self administered lateral flow test on FaceTime with a airline official the day before he flew back. Of course that evening we hit the town properly, he was in crowded pubs for hours…..

Drug interaction - Moderna jab and red wine ……mmmmmm rapid onset red wine effect
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Yeah I theoretically could have done the test just before cramming into SAR for the Luton game. Guess it beats failing a test when you get there.
 
sb_73 said:
Apparently because we started vaccinating early, even though other countries have now caught up and overtaken us, we have a much bigger % of the population eligible for the booster after the recommended 6 month gap from the second jab. And it’s the booster which gives the spectacular rates of defence.

I ****ing hope it does, because after zero reaction to my first two AZ jabs, the Moderna booster has given me the sore arm but also aches and shivers today.
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Had my booster two weeks ago, Pfizer after two AZ jabs. No reaction at all other than slight bruise for two days. My missus had a flu and Pneumonia jab the same day a week before her booster and had quite a reaction for almost a week yet her booster was similar to mine. Everyone's different...
 
At last, a politician telling it like it is. German Health Minister Jens Spahn tells the country that by the end of next winter we will be vaccinated, have had the virus and recovered, or dead. He recommends getting vaccinated.
 
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Just made a Yellow Card report on my Moderna jab, developed a rash around injection site about a day after the jab (the delay is important, means it’s not an allergic reaction which usually happens within at most 4 hours and can be very serious) and it’s still going strong. Bit hot and very slightly slightly sore, but really no inconvenience. Looked it up and it’s a rare but recognised side effect (actually called ‘Moderna arm’ in the US where they have used a lot of the vaccine) nothing to worry about, so I haven’t taken up valuable GP time with it (let’s not get back into that debate….) but did think it’s worth reporting.

I’d encourage anyone who has a reaction to a vaccine, or any other medicine, to report it via the Yellow Card system, this really does help doctors, regulators and manufacturers learn about the products, and could prevent some very serious events in some people as patterns are recognised. Here’s the link

https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/
 
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