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qprbeth said:
And your point is

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2020.04.18 19:55 GMT+8
How do different countries calculate their COVID-19 death rates?
Updated 2020.04.18 19:55 GMT+8
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COVID-19 death rates can spike many weeks or months after the virus has apparently retreated, as seen in Wuhan, China. Due to updated reporting it raised its official Covid-19 death toll by 50 percent, adding 1,290 fatalities,

Comparing and compiling data around death rates can be difficult as countries use a variety of methods to record it. Some record solely deaths of those who have been tested and that occurred in hospital while other nations include those who have died in care homes and/or the deaths of all those, in any settings, who are suspected of having COVID-19.

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In an attempt to quantify the rate at which care home residents are dying from the virus, the London School for Economics (LSE) has conducted a study that suggests around 50 percent of deaths are of the elderly in care homes.

If their findings - based on data from France, Belgium and Spain among others - are extrapolated to all countries affected by the pandemic then it suggests that the death rate is significantly higher than in countries which don't include care home deaths in their death rates.

How do different countries record their death rates?

Germany

The nation's 16 federal states are currently reporting deaths inside and outside hospitals as a single number, to the country's public health body, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI). Gender, age and underlying medical conditions are also provided to RKI. Work on a breakdown between hospital and non-hospital deaths is underway but this information is not yet available.

At 2.7 percent Germany has a low death rate when compared to other European nations, although the rate has been climbing in recent weeks. Health officials have noted the spread of COVID-19 in care homes which could help explain the rising mortality rate. In Germany, 87 percent of all deaths, but only 18 percent of all cases, occur in those over 70-years-old.

Germany's case numbers include those who died "of" COVID-19, and those who died "with" the disease, in accordance with the Infection Protection Act. Or as RKI head Lothar Wieler puts it, "a corona death is someone who was proven to have a coronavirus infection." Which is not the same as actually dying from it. Making Germany's relatively low figures all the more impressive.
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Back in the day when “mass testing wasn’t appropriate for a rich country like us” (Harries, 2020), did we ever get round to adding those missed at the start?
 
qprbeth said:
And your point is

Europe
2020.04.18 19:55 GMT+8
How do different countries calculate their COVID-19 death rates?
Updated 2020.04.18 19:55 GMT+8
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Daniel Harries

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COVID-19 death rates can spike many weeks or months after the virus has apparently retreated, as seen in Wuhan, China. Due to updated reporting it raised its official Covid-19 death toll by 50 percent, adding 1,290 fatalities,

Comparing and compiling data around death rates can be difficult as countries use a variety of methods to record it. Some record solely deaths of those who have been tested and that occurred in hospital while other nations include those who have died in care homes and/or the deaths of all those, in any settings, who are suspected of having COVID-19.

READ MORE: Meet the 99 year-old who raised $22 million to fight COVID-19

In an attempt to quantify the rate at which care home residents are dying from the virus, the London School for Economics (LSE) has conducted a study that suggests around 50 percent of deaths are of the elderly in care homes.

If their findings - based on data from France, Belgium and Spain among others - are extrapolated to all countries affected by the pandemic then it suggests that the death rate is significantly higher than in countries which don't include care home deaths in their death rates.

How do different countries record their death rates?

Germany

The nation's 16 federal states are currently reporting deaths inside and outside hospitals as a single number, to the country's public health body, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI). Gender, age and underlying medical conditions are also provided to RKI. Work on a breakdown between hospital and non-hospital deaths is underway but this information is not yet available.

At 2.7 percent Germany has a low death rate when compared to other European nations, although the rate has been climbing in recent weeks. Health officials have noted the spread of COVID-19 in care homes which could help explain the rising mortality rate. In Germany, 87 percent of all deaths, but only 18 percent of all cases, occur in those over 70-years-old.

Germany's case numbers include those who died "of" COVID-19, and those who died "with" the disease, in accordance with the Infection Protection Act. Or as RKI head Lothar Wieler puts it, "a corona death is someone who was proven to have a coronavirus infection." Which is not the same as actually dying from it. Making Germany's relatively low figures all the more impressive.
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My point is countries record deaths differently so the figures are difficult to compare.
 
People can compare stats with other countries or choose not to, either way, this country has handled the pandemic appallingly, many decisions resulting in deaths. They do seem to have pulled their finger out regarding vaccination and full credit for doing so. Unfortunately the number people will always remember is that of the lost souls to this awful disease. I truly am shocked that certain members of the cabinet still have a job.
 
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This is terribly sad but unfortunately people make their own choices........

One family in Derby, England has been left devastated after four members have died as a result of COVID-19 after meeting up for Christmas Day.

The family had been isolating for ten months before Christmas in the hopes of spending the holidays together when the Government allowed for households to meet.

Darren Fisher, his parents Pat and David, and his Uncle Michael Wilson all tested positive with COVID, with a number of other relatives still fighting the disease.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/ukne...ristmas-day-meet-up/ar-BB1daOIs?ocid=msedgdhp
 
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ELLERS said:
My point is countries record deaths differently so the figures are difficult to compare.
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Not really difficult if you use the excess deaths method. I agree it is not quite so accurate because it is an average comparison to prior years without accounting for any other factors. But it does exclude all of the multiple definitions that different Governments have used.
 
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Trammers said:
This is terribly sad but unfortunately people make their own choices........

One family in Derby, England has been left devastated after four members have died as a result of COVID-19 after meeting up for Christmas Day.

The family had been isolating for ten months before Christmas in the hopes of spending the holidays together when the Government allowed for households to meet.

Darren Fisher, his parents Pat and David, and his Uncle Michael Wilson all tested positive with COVID, with a number of other relatives still fighting the disease.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/ukne...ristmas-day-meet-up/ar-BB1daOIs?ocid=msedgdhp
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We normally have 7-8 family over but thought it was too risky so it ended up just me and my Mr's. I don't get why people risked 1 day after spending so many months isolating?
 
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We normally have 7-8 family over but thought it was too risky so it ended up just me and my Mr's. I don't get why people risked 1 day after spending so many months isolating?
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I’m not saying it’s the sole reason before you go windmilling but shouting down Keir Starmer as a grinch for suggesting Christmas mixing was obviously going to be a disaster and grand “Boris Battles Experts to Save Christmas” headlines may have not been a good thing.
 
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I’m not saying it’s the sole reason before you go windmilling but shouting down Keir Starmer as a grinch for suggesting Christmas mixing was obviously going to be a disaster and grand “Boris Battles Experts to Save Christmas” headlines may have not been a good thing.
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It may not have been, but there were plenty of warnings before Christmas (even from Captain Hindsight) and the NHS and plenty of stuff on the news. I remember it was the time when the new variant was here and cases were on an alarming rise. We spoke as a family and thought common sense was to give Christmas a miss and when all this crap is over celebrate then... however I do understand how some people feel.
What bugs me is there is plenty of blame going on but while we are supposed to be in Lockdown we have seen 400 people at a Jewish wedding/ 1200 people at a rave/300+ at a house party in Kensington/150 in some northern social club and countless more that I keep reading about.
It is the sole responsibility of the individual to abide by rules but most of all, use common sense. Our large death rate is due to many factors and many people ignoring guidelines.
 
They seem to particularly like attending funerals in co wexford......fresh from an outbreak before Christmas there was another gathering in a house in enniscorthy where 200 people were at a wake.....

Also 40 odd employees at a meat processing plant in the county have tested positive.....
 
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