Off Topic Coronavirus

[Staines R's]

Anglo/Scots politics is not my thing Ellers. Scotland has 34,760 cases of which 2,533 have died. How many have England had?

Who was denied access to healthcare? Last time I checked, every hospital was still open. If anybody feels sick go see your GP.

The reason I directed the last sentence at you is because you stated in post #11,678 "I've just seen that Sturgeon has banned the sale of alcohol in bars and pubs for sixteen days from 9th October. Are they having a competition to see who can impose the most ridiculous measure?".

With respect Fin, I have spoken to many, many people who cannot get to see a GP.......in fact I would say while at work, i hear it daily. Adding to the fact that many routine appointments and operations have been cancelled, I would say 9’s point is valid

 

[Staines R's]

Woody, this is the year 2020.

My Mother is an independent woman. I can not control where she goes and who she sees. I can not request the community to help me look after her. I have to trust the government and health authorities to do whatever is necessary to protect her and to protect as many other people as possible. They decided the best way is to impose restrictions on all of us. I haven't worked for 7 months, I am not happy with the restrictions, I want my life back, I want to travel freely but, in the interests of everybody else's health, I can't and I have to accept that.

Is Sweden a great example of where we should be aiming to be? They are close to 10,000 infections per 100,000 citizens. Mind you, their death rate is still less than the U.K. Other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland would certainaly question whether Sweden has the right idea or not.

As a counter point, there are many who say that Sweden might of just got the balance correct......

 

[finglasqpr]

With respect Fin, I have spoken to many, many people who cannot get to see a GP.......in fact I would say while at work, i hear it daily. Adding to the fact that many routine appointments and operations have been cancelled, I would say 9’s point is valid

Thats fair enough Staines, you know whats happening over there. I am sure similar things are possibly happening here too. I had to have a colonoscopy recently and I got the appointment within a month of going to my GP. I expected to wait at least a year so some things are happening when it comes to cancer treatments.

 

[Staines R's]

Thats fair enough Staines, you know whats happening over there. I am sure similar things are possibly happening here too. I had to have a colonoscopy recently and I got the appointment within a month of going to my GP. I expected to wait at least a year so some things are happening when it comes to cancer treatments.

Mate honestly, over here it is a different case altogether....and the sad fact of the matter is that people are dying because of it.

 

[finglasqpr]

Mate honestly, over here it is a different case altogether....and the sad fact of the matter is that people are dying because of it.

OK that's fair enough. Another reason why Bojo has done a dreadful job if loads are dying of the virus (40k+++) and loads are dying because of lack of healthcare in other areas. Thankfully, I haven't seen any evidence of that happening on a large scale over here........yet.

 

[rangercol]

Just to give people an idea of how high the figures have been lately in Northern Ireland, today they reported 828 new cases bringing their overall total to 16,187. The past 7 days alone accounts for over 27% of the total cases since February/March with 4,414 confirmed cases.

But it's all a hoax according to Nines.

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Woody, this is the year 2020.

My Mother is an independent woman. I can not control where she goes and who she sees. I can not request the community to help me look after her. I have to trust the government and health authorities to do whatever is necessary to protect her and to protect as many other people as possible. They decided the best way is to impose restrictions on all of us. I haven't worked for 7 months, I am not happy with the restrictions, I want my life back, I want to travel freely but, in the interests of everybody else's health, I can't and I have to accept that.

Is Sweden a great example of where we should be aiming to be? They are close to 10,000 infections per 100,000 citizens. Mind you, their death rate is still less than the U.K. Other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland would certainaly question whether Sweden has the right idea or not.

Fair play to your mum, my Dad’s the same, turned 82 yesterday, fit as a fiddle.

I think our parents should then make informed decisions about how they choose to live their lives. They may not even be particularly vulnerable, depending on the condition of their health.

The proportion of society who are at serious risk of dying from Covid is very small. We live with largely comparable viruses every year, we get ill sometimes, we mainly recover, sometimes, sadly people don’t. This is not a particularly unusual event, certainly not so dangerous as to necessitate the destruction of entire national economies, thousands of businesses and to deny thousands of people the healthcare that they are entitled to and that may save their lives.

The response has been wholly out of proportion to the scale of the problem. We know that now, maybe we didn’t before.

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

But it's all a hoax according to Nines.

That misrepresents what nines said I think, and I know you don’t like misrepresentation. The ‘hoax’ is the issue of cases and the test. Did you watch his video?

 

[finglasqpr]

Fair play to your mum, my Dad’s the same, turned 82 yesterday, fit as a fiddle.

I think our parents should then make informed decisions about how they choose to live their lives. They may not even be particularly vulnerable, depending on the condition of their health.

The proportion of society who are at serious risk of dying from Covid is very small. We live with largely comparable viruses every year, we get ill sometimes, we mainly recover, sometimes, sadly people don’t. This is not a particularly unusual event, certainly not so dangerous as to necessitate the destruction of entire national economies, thousands of businesses and to deny thousands of people the healthcare that they are entitled to and that may save their lives.

The response has been wholly out of proportion to the scale of the problem. We know that now, maybe we didn’t before.

The First global pandemic since 1918 is not a particularly unusual event? Well, it is very unusual in my lifetime. The last global pandemic, infected one third of the world's population and killed between 50-100 million people. They had no restriction's in place and even continued a world war.

To me, thrashing the world economy for a few years is worth saving possibly tens of millions of lives. Economies will recover within a few years.

 

[Staines R's]

The First global pandemic since 1918 is not a particularly unusual event? Well, it is very unusual in my lifetime. The last global pandemic, infected one third of the world's population and killed between 50-100 million people. They had no restriction's in place and even continued a world war.

To me, thrashing the world economy for a few years is worth saving possibly tens of millions of lives. Economies will recover within a few years.

Fin, sorry to correct you but this isn’t the first pandemic since 1918. We’ve had a few inbeteeen eg SARS, Asian Flu and even HIV

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

The First global pandemic since 1918 is not a particularly unusual event? Well, it is very unusual in my lifetime. The last global pandemic, infected one third of the world's population and killed between 50-100 million people. They had no restriction's in place and even continued a world war.

To me, thrashing the world economy for a few years is worth saving possibly tens of millions of lives. Economies will recover within a few years.

Not particularly unusual in terms of numbers of people affected by a viral infection. It’s not the threat to the global population that the governments and most media outlets have tried to programme people to believe, incessantly, for over 6 months.

There is no evidence to suggest that this virus could kill tens of millions of lives.

Have you heard people like Carl Hennigan, Sunetra Gupta, Sucharit Bhakdi, Mike Yeadon, Ivor Cummins? These are leaders in their fields and strongly challenge the narrative.

 

[rangercol]

That misrepresents what nines said I think, and I know you don’t like misrepresentation. The ‘hoax’ is the issue of cases and the test. Did you watch his video?

Nines keeps contradicting himself.
He said "it's all a hoax" and then said the virus is real.
He also incorrectly said that it's been around for 10 years.
Coronavirus, in different forms has, covid 19 hasn't.
I haven't mis-represented anything.

I agree that there are questions about all of this, but the bottom line for me is that I don't want to get the ****er.

 

[finglasqpr]

Fin, sorry to correct you but this isn’t the first pandemic since 1918. We’ve had a few inbeteeen eg SARS, Asian Flu and even HIV

Staines, Sars only spread from China to 26 other countries so strictly speaking, it wasn't a worldwide pandemic. HIV/Aids was a worldwide pandemic strictly speaking but it only spread by exchanging bodily fluids or by blood transfusions. The general public was/still is not at risk of infection provided you don't exchange bodily fluids with an infected person. Covid is completely different and is much more infectious to the general public going about their daily lives.

 

[finglasqpr]

Not particularly unusual in terms of numbers of people affected by a viral infection. It’s not the threat to the global population that the governments and most media outlets have tried to programme people to believe, incessantly, for over 6 months.

There is no evidence to suggest that this virus could kill tens of millions of lives.

Have you heard people like Carl Hennigan, Sunetra Gupta, Sucharit Bhakdi, Mike Yeadon, Ivor Cummins? These are leaders in their fields and strongly challenge the narrative.

Woody, you say it is not the threat to the global popultion that governments and media outlets would have us believe.

What if, we lift all restrictions worldwide. We all go back to our daily lives pre-covid. I go to see QPR play 5 times between now and Christmas. 18,000 packed into Loftus Road and every other football ground. You go on your holidays to Majorca or wherever. By the end of Winter, there would be tens of millions of dead people. I can't quantify it but the possibility is there for there to be hundreds of millions of people dead worldwide. None of those hundreds of millions (potentially) will be able to go down their local boozer for a few pints.

I haven't heard of any of the people you mention and to be honest, I am not interested in what they might or might not say on this subject.

THE RESTRICTIONS ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT EVERYBODY'S HEALTH.

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Woody, you say it is not the threat to the global popultion that governments and media outlets would have us believe.

What if, we lift all restrictions worldwide. We all go back to our daily lives pre-covid. I go to see QPR play 5 times between now and Christmas. 18,000 packed into Loftus Road and every other football ground. You go on your holidays to Majorca or wherever. By the end of Winter, there would be tens of millions of dead people. I can't quantify it but the possibility is there for there to be hundreds of millions of people dead worldwide. None of those hundreds of millions (potentially) will be able to go down their local boozer for a few pints.

I haven't heard of any of the people you mention and to be honest, I am not interested in what they might or might not say on this subject.

THE RESTRICTIONS ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT EVERYBODY'S HEALTH.

What are you basing your prediction of a potential tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths on?

The people I listed are a very few of a large and growing voice amongst very eminently qualified scientists, doctors, epidemiologists, virologists, professors of very high standing, who have held top positions at leading institutions around the world.

Why would you not be interested in what they have to say, when it has kept you from the life you want to live for 7 months?

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Nines keeps contradicting himself.
He said "it's all a hoax" and then said the virus is real.
He also incorrectly said that it's been around for 10 years.
Coronavirus, in different forms has, covid 19 hasn't.
I haven't mis-represented anything.

I agree that there are questions about all of this, but the bottom line for me is that I don't want to get the ****er.

Again, I think he implies the hoax is the counting of deaths, the use of the term cases and the increase in testing, and the validity of the test used to shape the situation.

 

[finglasqpr]

What are you basing your prediction of a potential tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths on?

The people I listed are a very few of a large and growing voice amongst very eminently qualified scientists, doctors, epidemiologists, virologists, professors of very high standing, who have held top positions at leading institutions around the world.

Why would you not be interested in what they have to say, when it has kept you from the life you want to live for 7 months?

Lift the restrictions worldwide and lets see how many people die.

Worldwide governments have access to the best experts in the world and with the exception of Sweden and some of Trump's supporters, the overwhelming verdict is to impose restrictions to save lives. I agree with that theory and I am sure the vast majority of people do even if it stops us doing what we want to do. Protests to date by people who disagree have been tiny.

 

[Staines R's]

Staines, Sars only spread from China to 26 other countries so strictly speaking, it wasn't a worldwide pandemic. HIV/Aids was a worldwide pandemic strictly speaking but it only spread by exchanging bodily fluids or by blood transfusions. The general public was/still is not at risk of infection provided you don't exchange bodily fluids with an infected person. Covid is completely different and is much more infectious to the general public going about their daily lives.

Sorry mate, it was just my pedantic nature. I still stand by my statement that this isn’t the first pandemic since 1918.

 

[finglasqpr]

Sorry mate, it was just my pedantic nature. I still stand by my statement that this isn’t the first pandemic since 1918.

It is the first worldwide pandemic in Western Europe that affects the general public as they go about their daily lives. The last such pandemic killed 50-100 million people.

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Lift the restrictions worldwide and lets see how many people die.

Worldwide governments have access to the best experts in the world and with the exception of Sweden and some of Trump's supporters, the overwhelming verdict is to impose restrictions to save lives. I agree with that theory and I am sure the vast majority of people do even if it stops us doing what we want to do. Protests to date by people who disagree have been tiny.

I think you should search some of the people I listed above, research their backgrounds and qualifications and listen to what they say. There is very little balance offered by the bbc/sky etc. You cannot be fully informed by listening to them alone.