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Uber_Hoop said:
You are such a conformist to the propaganda, Odie.
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It's not a case of conforming to propaganda Uber, just assessing a measured response. I do not think it would be possible to claim that all the governments of the World are simultaneously lying to us, in collusion with all the World's health authorities - and what motive would they have to enter a propaganda war in this way. A pandemic is there - it is not a fabrication. Assuming the German death figures to be correct because they are so much lower than the British ones then 9,000 have died and there have been 200,000 cases - multiply that to account for half the population getting it (which would be the case if there had been no response) and you arrive at around 1.8 million deaths - enough to bring the German health system to its knees.
 
StortfordQPR said:
Wee Jimmy pretty angry with the Aberdeen players for "breaking the rules"

Maybe her rules aren't quite clear enough and common sense can't be relied on north of the Border either

Disappointingly for Sturgeon she hasn't found a way of blaming the English or Westminster for the Aberdeen cases
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It wasn't her rules, but the SPFL rules, that they broke. The footballers are supposed to stay within their "social bubble", not go out to celebrate a 1-0 defeat to Rangers in a city centre pub in groups of 8.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
Do you disagree that the figures released on a daily basis for coronavirus deaths were inflated? Did you believe them at the time and continue to?

The thing about excess deaths is that they’re excess to an average or trend, both of which can go up or down for myriad reasons.
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I believe the excess deaths figures. If, by the end of the year, it’s net zero, it will be interesting - could be argued that distancing, lockdown etc kept it to that.

I’ve never felt the daily positive test numbers were helpful, the accuracy of the deaths numbers has been debated ad nauseum on here, probably far from precise but certainly directionally useful. I tend to believe that if someone is on a ventilator and being treated for the symptoms of COVID and the body’s response to it and they sadly die, then COVID played a role. I also believe that if someone dies of a heart attack because they did not access health services because of COVID, that death should also be attributed to the virus, but recorded in a different way. If, as I assume you suspect, the latter type of deaths outweigh the direct COVID ones, all those in the decision making system, both political and administrative, and possibly scientific, should be strung up from lampposts and pelted with dog turds and wasps nests.

But to be totally frank I don’t think much about this stuff any more, certainly not enough to argue about it.
 
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sb_73 said:
I believe the excess deaths figures. If, by the end of the year, it’s net zero, it will be interesting - could be argued that distancing, lockdown etc kept it to that.

I’ve never felt the daily positive test numbers were helpful, the accuracy of the deaths numbers has been debated ad nauseum on here, probably far from precise but certainly directionally useful. I tend to believe that if someone is on a ventilator and being treated for the symptoms of COVID and the body’s response to it and they sadly die, then COVID played a role. I also believe that if someone dies of a heart attack because they did not access health services because of COVID, that death should also be attributed to the virus, but recorded in a different way. If, as I assume you suspect, the latter type of deaths outweigh the direct COVID ones, all those in the decision making system, both political and administrative, and possibly scientific, should be strung up from lampposts and pelted with dog turds and wasps nests.

But to be totally frank I don’t think much about this stuff any more, certainly not enough to argue about it.
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Me neither. I enjoy Odie getting all serious about it, though.
 
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StortfordQPR said:
Wee Jimmy pretty angry with the Aberdeen players for "breaking the rules"

Maybe her rules aren't quite clear enough and common sense can't be relied on north of the Border either

Disappointingly for Sturgeon she hasn't found a way of blaming the English or Westminster for the Aberdeen cases
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Steelmonkey said:
It wasn't her rules, but the SPFL rules, that they broke. The footballers are supposed to stay within their "social bubble", not go out to celebrate a 1-0 defeat to Rangers in a city centre pub in groups of 8.
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Not strictly true

It was the Scottish government that had to approve the rules....which they did. Hence the players broke government sanctioned rules
 
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