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No deaths for 12 consecutive days in Scotland, with a total of 190 new cases over the last two weeks.

It's still floating about, but nowhere near the levels of either England or Spain - and I see that Germany is starting to see a rise in cases again...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53566880

It's been revealed that some people have returned from Spain and then tested positive for Covid - so the abrupt resumption of quarantine seems to have been correct - if only they'd acted so swiftly at the beginning of the pandemic.
 
No deaths for 12 consecutive days in Scotland, with a total of 190 new cases over the last two weeks.

It's still floating about, but nowhere near the levels of either England or Spain - and I see that Germany is starting to see a rise in cases again...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53566880

It's been revealed that some people have returned from Spain and then tested positive for Covid - so the abrupt resumption of quarantine seems to have been correct - if only they'd acted so swiftly at the beginning of the pandemic.
That would have meant taking it seriously! Better late than never hey
 
If you had it 3 months ago, you are not infectious now. The "infectability of the virus " the virologists say is about 14 days....about 5-7 days until you show symptoms and about a week after that.



This is a very different question Kiwi. This indicates you have raised antibodies to the virus, so it is a good marker that you have had it.

The question you ask is "are you immune?".
OK....if you raise antibodies you are probably immune (protected) or partially immune (partially protected). What I mean is that if the virus infects again, you will have only mild symptoms .
But how long do these antibodies last is the question that scientists do not know. There is evidence from China that they don't last long ( say3-6 months).....for herd immunity or a vaccine to work , we would like them to last year or 5 or better still a life time.

Now I am going to get heavy duty scientific, so new readers cut off her.
In your body you have things called memory B cells, these are white blood cells and they carry in them the apparatus to raise antibodies to any bad thing (pathogen) you have ever seen, they are at an incredibly low level ...but they are there, in nearly all of us. So when we see the pathogen a second time...the expand rapidly and start making the protective antibody again. So it is hoped that even if your antibody levels fall ( below detection levels) these memory B cells will still come to your aid

My reference to "detection levels" is also relevant. Our tests have a certain level of detection (in the chinese test is actually very poor). You may have really good antibodies but we can't detect them...with improving tests we will have new ideas of who has and who has not got antibodies...and we may see the antibodies last longer than the Chinese say they do

One final point:- not all antibodies are equal. Your body will make antibodies to the whole Covid19 virus, but not all antibodies will cause it to be killed. There are protective antibodies and there are more neutral antibodies. Some people will make protective antibodies which bind and cause killer T cells to destroy the virus...other may not, or to lesser degree...

And that is the point of testing the vaccine, all the vaccines will probably get the body to raise some sort of antibody response...we need the vaccine to make protective antibodies

Sorry if that is a bit heavy..
Thanks Beth. But to answer Stroller's question, if he has had it but has antibodies which prevent him falling ill does that also mean he is no longer infectious to others who might be more susceptible to serious illness. I think your answer suggest that 'it depends' whether he has the killer antibodies or the shield protection ones and which end of the spectrum those in between are closer to.
 
Thanks Beth. But to answer Stroller's question, if he has had it but has antibodies which prevent him falling ill does that also mean he is no longer infectious to others who might be more susceptible to serious illness. I think your answer suggest that 'it depends' whether he has the killer antibodies or the shield protection ones and which end of the spectrum those in between are closer to.


As I understand it, Stroller doesn't know whether he's had it or not. He suspects he has. I've met loads of people who reckon they've had it, but don't actually know.
If in doubt, don't risk infecting anyone else.
 
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Those covid-19 worshipers will never understand that this hoax is part of "The Great Reset" the Elite has planned a long time ago an has now been given a name.

“Nobody Needs to Die” – Frontline Doctors Storm D.C. Claiming “Thousands of Doctors” are Being Silenced on Facts and Treatments for COVID

https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/nobo...-Qy_lsb-ABqtC4bFg7sxZFREdBNWy6MzxgPcvSk_jKoBI

People of reason - no fearmongers and psychopaths.
 
Those covid-19 worshipers will never understand that this hoax is part of "The Great Reset" the Elite has planned a long time ago an has now been given a name.

“Nobody Needs to Die” – Frontline Doctors Storm D.C. Claiming “Thousands of Doctors” are Being Silenced on Facts and Treatments for COVID

https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/nobo...-Qy_lsb-ABqtC4bFg7sxZFREdBNWy6MzxgPcvSk_jKoBI

People of reason - no fearmongers and psychopaths.

Beth, could you explain why Hydroxychloroquine isn't the "cure" for Covid 19, as is claimed in this link?

Ta.
 
Thanks Beth. But to answer Stroller's question, if he has had it but has antibodies which prevent him falling ill does that also mean he is no longer infectious to others who might be more susceptible to serious illness. I think your answer suggest that 'it depends' whether he has the killer antibodies or the shield protection ones and which end of the spectrum those in between are closer to.

If I have indeed had it (and since my wife's antibody test, I'm even more convinced that I have), it was before lockdown, so I would have ceased to be infectious to others some months ago.
 
can you not be immune to it and a carrier

Quoting Beth.....

If you had it 3 months ago, you are not infectious now. The "infectability of the virus " the virologists say is about 14 days....about 5-7 days until you show symptoms and about a week after that.
 
Quoting Beth.....

If you had it 3 months ago, you are not infectious now. The "infectability of the virus " the virologists say is about 14 days....about 5-7 days until you show symptoms and about a week after that.
not infectious from the time you think you had it three months ago
who knows if someone not wearing a mask gave it to you again three days ago
might not effect you but you might be passing it on
 
They need to keep up the narrative in order to get everyone vaccinated by the end of 2022 which is in line with the EU, CH and basically the Western world. If noone ever looks at "The Great Reset" which is the official version of the WEF (World Economic Forum), the information I provided about the 2010 Rockefeller Foundation template or the "New Industrial Strategy for Europe" that will start 2021 (never mind the Brexit, something similar is in place for the UK) then you will not understand why they created virus hoax.

Read the stuff which comes from official sites and you might understand what you are going to experience very soon - get prepared (no, I am not a prepper living in the woods).
 
Here in Oz, Victoria cases continue to peak and deaths are frequent daily.
New South Wales cases are now also increasing, as stated in the papers, quite possibly related to the BLM & the cancel culture marches.

Here in Queensland, touch wood, we are progressing without any real variation to our daily 'no cases' totals although
they say we are about to shut the border with NSW, again.

Everything was going along nicely for the country as a whole............ virtually no cases Oz wide, until .........
 
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Here in Oz, Victoria cases continue to peak and deaths are frequent daily.
New South Wales cases are now also increasing, as stated in the papers, quite possibly related to the BLM & the cancel culture marches.

Here in Queensland, touch wood, we are progressing without any real variation to our daily 'no cases' totals although
they say we are about to shut the border with NSW, again.

Everything was going along nicely for the country as a whole............ virtually no cases Oz wide, until .........

How has Morrison been perceived to have handled it out of interest?
 
How has Morrison been perceived to have handled it out of interest?

Morrison has been considered proactive and 'doing the right thing' todate but now with this second wave, l think he's become gun shy to what is now looking like it may be worse than the first wave. Victoria displayed real 'head in the sand' tactics to arrive at where they are now, sadly.

The thing that gripes me is that we are still letting in planes from overseas, strangely enough, with passengers who are testing positive ....... who would have thought?

We only had two cases here in Queensland last week and both had arrived from overseas.
 
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If I have indeed had it (and since my wife's antibody test, I'm even more convinced that I have), it was before lockdown, so I would have ceased to be infectious to others some months ago.
That's not my point . The question wasn't how long before you no longer have any traces of the virus. I was asking if someone has antibodies an indicator s/he has been infected at some time (or I suppose that this person has some natural immunity) does that mean they can not carry the virus at all and cannot transmit it to others at all.
 
I hear that the new terminology for reporting deaths is no longer “x people today died of, or with corona virus” but “x people, who had previously tested positive for covid, have today died”.
 
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I hear that the new terminology for reporting deaths is no longer “x people today died of, or with corona virus” but “x people, who had previously tested positive for covid, have today died”.
So x hit by a bus is a covid death
X Shooting yourself in the head after testing positive but your wife is ****ing someone at work
Maybe butthuber is actually on to something
 
So x hit by a bus is a covid death
X Shooting yourself in the head after testing positive but your wife is ****ing someone at work
Maybe butthuber is actually on to something

If we could just cut out 20,000 or so deaths from people being hit by buses per year we wouldn’t have to wear masks.
 
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