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qprbeth said:
Okay here is something positive for you all.
Vitamin D, the sunshine vitamin. We normally generate this vitamin in sunshine....although supplements are very easily available

It has long been worrying me about the large number of deaths in the BAME community.It has long been worrying me why older and infirm and sick people are so at risk

The answer is vitamin D. It came up on my science thread about a paper that is currently under review about testing Vit D levels in people who were mildly ill with CoVid against those that were seriously ill/died. The levels were much higher in those with mild disease than those who were ill (cause and effect maybe, still to be studied). They suggested that normal levels of vitamin D helped you to fight the disease, low levels made you prone to the more serious effects

Amongst the UK residents, the Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) groups who are most at risk to the virus, are known to have lower levels of vitD, as darker skin produces far less vitamin D than lighter skin. This is true with older, housebound people with chronic illness

So I am out in the sunshine, and vitamin D supplements are on my essential shopping list for next week. This may be wrong, but I cannot see any downside to this info....its not like telling you all to drink disinfectant is it
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What's your hair like? If it is normal ok, good advice . If it's wispy, blonde and has that fly away look to it I will dismiss your advice as fake news and refuse ever to read your posts again.
 
Uber_Hoop said:
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Poor Peter, bleating that no one is listening to him. To be honest I haven’t read his detailed arguments, does he think we should just lift the restrictions completely, or is it an argument about liberty and not practicalities?

Isn’t the rate a bit irrelevant compared to the actual number of excess deaths? Sure, if it’s correct (I hope it is) it’s a much more comfortable number and as he says it’s what was originally predicted. But if 40 million of us get the virus it’s still 300,000 deaths, assuming we do nothing to stop it’s spread, which is what I assume he wants. And that excludes all these ‘mystery’ excess deaths that aren’t attributed to COVID19.

For balance I’ve gone off his late brother a bit too. Something desperate about both of them.
 
This is why the British (English) public can not be trusted. The sheer ****ing stupidity on display for no ****ing reason. We are ****ed.
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sb_73 said:
Poor Peter, bleating that no one is listening to him. To be honest I haven’t read his detailed arguments, does he think we should just lift the restrictions completely, or is it an argument about liberty and not practicalities?

Isn’t the rate a bit irrelevant compared to the actual number of excess deaths? Sure, if it’s correct (I hope it is) it’s a much more comfortable number and as he says it’s what was originally predicted. But if 40 million of us get the virus it’s still 300,000 deaths, assuming we do nothing to stop it’s spread, which is what I assume he wants. And that excludes all these ‘mystery’ excess deaths that aren’t attributed to COVID19.

For balance I’ve gone off his late brother a bit too. Something desperate about both of them.
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I wouldn’t say “Poor Peter” is “bleating”. I’d say his job is to continue repeating what he believes and try and persuade. He gets far worse about than that on his Twitter thread and generally responds by politely asking the antagonist if they actually have anything useful to say, particularly facts that may disprove his position. I’ve seen little. The stuff about the number of deaths is understandably emotional.

But, one in 133 ‘patients’. If the 6 million is correct then the death rate is 1 in 200. That maths doesn’t work for me as it suggest that 2/3rd of those infected become ‘patients’, doesn’t it?

Have 4 million required hospital treatment?

No, he’s never said lift the restrictions completely. He thinks social distancing is appropriate. But he does believe crashing the economy is a disproportionate measure compared with the threat. More and more are starting to ask similar questions, so perhaps he is an early bleater.

Desperate? Interesting.
 
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I wouldn’t say “Poor Peter” is “bleating”. I’d say his job is to continue repeating what he believes and try and persuade. He gets far worse about than that on his Twitter thread and generally responds by politely asking the antagonist if they actually have anything useful to say, particularly facts that may disprove his position. I’ve seen little. The stuff about the number of deaths is understandably emotional.

But, one in 133 ‘patients’. If the 6 million is correct then the death rate is 1 in 200. That maths doesn’t work for me as it suggest that 2/3rd of those infected become ‘patients’, doesn’t it?

Have 4 million required hospital treatment?

No, he’s never said lift the restrictions completely. He thinks social distancing is appropriate. But he does believe crashing the economy is a disproportionate measure compared with the threat. More and more are starting to ask similar questions, so perhaps he is an early bleater.

Desperate? Interesting.
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As he is a journalist for the Daily Mail we would surely have to start at a point of serious mistrust, no?
 
Uber_Hoop said:
He’s not a journalist for the Daily Mail.
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Peter Jonathan Hitchens is an English conservative journalist and author. Hitchens writes for The Mail on Sunday and is a former foreign correspondent in Moscow and Washington. He has published eight books, including The Abolition of Britain, The Rage Against God, and The War We Never Fought. Wikipedia

Not this guy then?
 
stick said:
Peter Jonathan Hitchens is an English conservative journalist and author. Hitchens writes for The Mail on Sunday and is a former foreign correspondent in Moscow and Washington. He has published eight books, including The Abolition of Britain, The Rage Against God, and The War We Never Fought. Wikipedia

Not this guy then?
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Not the Daily Mail then. Thanks for confirming.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
Not the Daily Mail then. Thanks for confirming.
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More than a touch pedantic!

Maybe the Hitchins approach is right. Let it do what it is going to do but this would mean the whole of the UK public agreeing to the terms and taking responsibility. Many, albeit not the majority, seem to be totally incapable of acting in a responsible manner.
 
surreyhoop said:
If it is linked to the Daily Mail online website then I suspect it could be construed as the same! Or no?
I actually agree with some of his points :)
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Sister papers, perhaps. Not the same. Happy to correct you. :)
 
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stick said:
More than a touch pedantic!

Maybe the Hitchins approach is right. Let it do what it is going to do but this would mean the whole of the UK public agreeing to the terms and taking responsibility. Many, albeit not the majority, seem to be totally incapable of acting in a responsible manner.
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Accurate.

Forgive me, but I think you’re criticising what you like to believe he’s said on the subject rather than actually equipping yourself with his true position.
 
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