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Off Topic Coronavirus
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Think you might not have got the gist of my post. That was an Express front page suggesting people in Brighton ignoring the lockdown rules but using a photo from a busy day last year to prove it. If you read the subsequent tweets its clear people in BHA are sticking to the rules. It's just outright lies deliberately misleading from tge Express. The sooner hoary old rags like them die out the better.
Okay, I jumped the gun and saw the pictures and tweet. Not good of a newspaper to do rubbish like that.
IMHO
Keeping the country open, would have destroyed the NHS. People would have died simply because we couldn't cope. I think we can say the NHS tried its best for every patient in its care....with the herd immunity idea, we would have lost people who should not have died. So that is good.
We HAD to close the country for a while...my problem is that we didn't do it completely and we did not do it early enough.
I realise some people felt they had to go to work to feed their family/keep their jobs. But so much of that was allowed.
The planes flew in, and are still flying in.
We allowed huge events Liverpool football, Cheltenham festival, the Frank Turner concert I went to on the eve of lockdown.
We arestill reaping that reward now 6 weeks in ...and the curve has flattened, but we are still get large numbers of deaths (todays will be down as it is after the weekend...but still), over 20,000 have died
My problem is we jumped horses from herd immunity to lockdown after about 3 weeks from the start. But the lockdown was not hard enough.
Even now, we are not in a position to come out of it...as we do not have enough testing (and no antibody tests) and no tracer app.
There will be a second wave
Keeping the country open, would have destroyed the NHS. People would have died simply because we couldn't cope. I think we can say the NHS tried its best for every patient in its care....with the herd immunity idea, we would have lost people who should not have died. So that is good.
We HAD to close the country for a while...my problem is that we didn't do it completely and we did not do it early enough.
I realise some people felt they had to go to work to feed their family/keep their jobs. But so much of that was allowed.
The planes flew in, and are still flying in.
We allowed huge events Liverpool football, Cheltenham festival, the Frank Turner concert I went to on the eve of lockdown.
We arestill reaping that reward now 6 weeks in ...and the curve has flattened, but we are still get large numbers of deaths (todays will be down as it is after the weekend...but still), over 20,000 have died
My problem is we jumped horses from herd immunity to lockdown after about 3 weeks from the start. But the lockdown was not hard enough.
Even now, we are not in a position to come out of it...as we do not have enough testing (and no antibody tests) and no tracer app.
There will be a second wave
Agree with lockdown & to carry on with it as per Boris statement, but whether it’s been a success with over 20k in deaths & rising is another matter, I do think we acted slow in containing the virus but then again no one new the extent of this horrendous outcome it produces, I’ll back the government as they doing what they can & will also need help from public to overcome thisApologies Stroller and Steel... and any others who would like to add their thoughts
he is not one of the 'Likely Lads' though!
For you maybe.
I don't actually think we were slow I think the government got hit by something unprecedented and have had to adapt to things as they come. yes, there seems to have been mistakes with letting untested people back into care homes but their priority (and only capacity at the time) was to test NHS workers and the very sick. Plenty of people in the media moaning that front line staff weren't being tested but at the time no one mentioned people going back into care homes? sadly there just weren't enough tests. That has changed now. I have been vocal regarding the flights that are still coming in but apparently the scientific evidence says different.
The government's main job (which they have banged on about since day one) was to protect capacity in the NHS hospitals... they have succeeded in doing that.
Trouble is loads more people are dying than the five year average in many countries, and only a portion of these ‘extra’ deaths are attributed to COVID19.
So either the virus is killing in different ways to those we know about or something about the response to it (not just the UK) is causing this spike.
https://amp.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c?__twitter_impression=true
A reputable source. This is the most alarming thing I’ve heard about yet in this whole saga, alongside the sending of potentially infected patients from hospitals to care homes.
What the **** is going on?
Might have something to do with our first cases being behind everyone else?
Ellers great video...but a few mistakes here, and he has no scientific justification for the size of the effects his changes have on the curve. It is just random hypothesising
Although I go along with his general message of "Trust the scientists" and "ignore the media"
The stay at home when you feel ill mantra:-It is not that simple but there is a lag period of 5-7 days even if they become very ill. And 60% of people are assymptomatic...and will never self isolate, as innocentally they do not know too. The stay at home part is weak too
He assumes that the lockdown will be total to acheive that shift. It was not.
He stresses the point you can only hold the lockdown for a finite time, that is one of my big points too..so why not make it 3-4 weeks total lockdown and then smooth out to become partial from there.
The transmission rate during total lockdown (like Northern Italy) would have been near to zero....and so when we came out of total lockdown into partial lockdown the transmission rate would rise but would never get past 1:1. As each time you relaxed the conditions, you would get a rise in numbers, you wait till they abate and then relax the rules of lockdown again.
I was asked how I would do it. I think your vid has straightened my mind Ellers
Thank you
Although I go along with his general message of "Trust the scientists" and "ignore the media"
The stay at home when you feel ill mantra:-It is not that simple but there is a lag period of 5-7 days even if they become very ill. And 60% of people are assymptomatic...and will never self isolate, as innocentally they do not know too. The stay at home part is weak too
He assumes that the lockdown will be total to acheive that shift. It was not.
He stresses the point you can only hold the lockdown for a finite time, that is one of my big points too..so why not make it 3-4 weeks total lockdown and then smooth out to become partial from there.
The transmission rate during total lockdown (like Northern Italy) would have been near to zero....and so when we came out of total lockdown into partial lockdown the transmission rate would rise but would never get past 1:1. As each time you relaxed the conditions, you would get a rise in numbers, you wait till they abate and then relax the rules of lockdown again.
I was asked how I would do it. I think your vid has straightened my mind Ellers
Thank you
I wonder in previous years when people died from a serious illness did they test for flu or coronavirus then like they do now?
I thought it would Stainsy....but I was unaware how deadly it is to certain people.
I was wrong
As I have said many times.
The respiratory attack isn't what kills people. It is the inflammatory cytokine storm causing multiorgan failure that is killing most of the people. I was unaware at the start about this facet of the disease.
I thought lots of people would catch a nasty cold, a few people with chronic lung disease and asthma would unfortunately die (as with seasonal flu). I did not expect that so many people would experience organ failure
I watched the first couple of minutes. I will return to it. My first thought was that his curve was symmetrical which is nowhere near the reality.
Please see my comment to Stainsy about multiorgan failure and cytokine storm
They couldn’t test for this coronavirus because it has only existed for a few months. I imagine they would conduct a post-mortem when cause of death is not clear.
Did you read the FT article?
I would like a weekly briefing on all cause deaths v the five year average delivered by someone from the ONS, definitely not a politician.