Off Topic Coronavirus

[bobmid]

If only some of the experts on here were running things.
There would be no mistakes, ever, and everything would have been done perfectly at all times.

Hilarious reading some of the comments on here.

"I could have done a better job of this".... being one of the more comical posts.

I'm pretty sure some could have Col but the really worrying thing is that our actual experts have got us to where we are now! Theyve not exactly inspired confidence. When in time or at what figure of deaths would it be reasonable to question these 'so called experts' ?

 

[bobmid]

We are all dooomed!

Maybe not all of us but many, many thousands and their families.

 

[Sooperhoop]

I don’t think anyone expects perfection, Col. Just a bit of honesty and openness would be a nice start. The defence of them is embarrassing.

The day you get honest and open government will never happen whichever party is in power, look at B-liar as an example. Why do you have embargoes on cabinet papers? I guarantee Covid cabinet papers will have a minimum 50 year embargo whatever happens...

 

[qprbeth]

I've met you haven't I Beth a couple of times?You're friends with rollercoaster aren't you?

Absolutely CCJack, we have and I am...and I like you.

See I am not lying Jeff

 

[bobmid]

It’s an unrelenting task, scientist or politician, to be telling people what they don’t want to listen too. All different areas of society have personal challenges and personal situations. They won’t give the answers for everyone, or what everyone wants to hear.
Justifiably we will have the opportunity to look back at ‘ground zero’, decisions, missed opportunities and any good/bad decisions and correct/incorrect choices that have been made. I think we will all be learning from this terrible experience.

Maybe if somebody had read the 2016 epidemic papers that could have been a start. But hey ho, obviously nothing to see there.

 

[bobmid]

The day you get honest and open government will never happen whichever party is in power, look at B-liar as an example. Why do you have embargoes on cabinet papers? I guarantee Covid cabinet papers will have a minimum 50 year embargo whatever happens...

One thing we should never ever do is learn from past mistakes!

 

[bobmid]

If only some of the experts on here were running things.
There would be no mistakes, ever, and everything would have been done perfectly at all times.

Hilarious reading some of the comments on here.

"I could have done a better job of this".... being one of the more comical posts.

I'm sure there would have been mistakes Col but let me put this to you. If you were told that a deadly virus was coming, spread by human to human close proximity and you had the benefit of examples in other countries of this happening? Would you (not being a scientific expert) have let Cheltenham go ahead or the liverpool v Madrid game or the many concerts?

 

[Sooperhoop]

One thing we should never ever do is learn from past mistakes!

But the government of the day would have that info, whether they choose to use it is their 'secret' prerogative...

 

[bobmid]

But the government of the day would have that info, whether they choose to use it is their 'secret' prerogative...

It certainly seems that way

 

[Sooperhoop]

I'm sure there would have been mistakes Col but let me put this to you. If you were told that a deadly virus was coming, spread by human to human close proximity and you had the benefit of examples in other countries of this happening? Would you (not being a scientific expert) have let Cheltenham go ahead or the liverpool v Madrid game or the many concerts?

From early March there were some unbelievable pieces of advice given that any cretin could see would cause an airborne virus to spread. Those you quote, especially the Liverpool match I quoted at that time were crazy. Add to that Sadiq Khan imploring Londoners to use the tube saying you cannot catch the virus on the underground, just think about that, how many hundreds of thousands of commuters were rammed into cattle class carriages?

Politicians really have throughout this pandemic made some inexplicable statements and many thousands have needlessly died as a result. I fear many more mistakes will be made before we see the back of this...

 

[bobmid]

From early March there were some unbelievable pieces of advice given that any cretin could see would cause an airborne virus to spread. Those you quote, especially the Liverpool match I quoted at that time were crazy. Add to that Sadiq Khan imploring Londoners to use the tube saying you cannot catch the virus on the underground, just think about that, how many hundreds of thousands of commuters were rammed into cattle class carriages?

Politicians really have throughout this pandemic made some inexplicable statements and many thousands have needlessly died as a result. I fear many more mistakes will be made before we see the back of this...

Totally agree. Khan really should be unemployed right now for comments like that! At how many thousands of deaths does this become inexcusable?

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

Absolutely CCJack, we have and I am...and I like you.

See I am not lying Jeff

Thought so Beth.

 

[Stroller]

From early March there were some unbelievable pieces of advice given that any cretin could see would cause an airborne virus to spread. Those you quote, especially the Liverpool match I quoted at that time were crazy. Add to that Sadiq Khan imploring Londoners to use the tube saying you cannot catch the virus on the underground, just think about that, how many hundreds of thousands of commuters were rammed into cattle class carriages?

Politicians really have throughout this pandemic made some inexplicable statements and many thousands have needlessly died as a result. I fear many more mistakes will be made before we see the back of this...

Didn't the female medical advisor (I think it was same one that said we have been an 'exemplar' to the rest of the world) say just yesterday (maybe the day before) that closing our borders would have made no difference to the spread of the virus. This defies logic.

 

[ELLERS]

From early March there were some unbelievable pieces of advice given that any cretin could see would cause an airborne virus to spread. Those you quote, especially the Liverpool match I quoted at that time were crazy. Add to that Sadiq Khan imploring Londoners to use the tube saying you cannot catch the virus on the underground, just think about that, how many hundreds of thousands of commuters were rammed into cattle class carriages?

Politicians really have throughout this pandemic made some inexplicable statements and many thousands have needlessly died as a result. I fear many more mistakes will be made before we see the back of this...

I agree that mistakes have been made Sooper but you cannot guarantee that "many thousands have needlessly died as a result". You don't know every case, where it originated, and when. Say if 100 people died today you cannot possibly link those deaths to the Liverpool match (agree some yes).
For me, the failings now are letting flights come in from infected areas and people disregarding the guidelines..

 

[ELLERS]

Didn't the female medical advisor (I think it was same one that said we have been an 'exemplar' to the rest of the world) say just yesterday (maybe the day before) that closing our borders would have made no difference to the spread of the virus. This defies logic.

There are some scientists now saying that this virus could have been here as early as last September! What happens then?

 

[bobmid]

Any halfwit could tell you that a mass gathering

I agree that mistakes have been made Sooper but you cannot guarantee that "many thousands have needlessly died as a result". You don't know every case, where it originated, and when. Say if 100 people died today you cannot possibly link those deaths to the Liverpool match (agree some yes).
For me, the failings now are letting flights come in from infected areas and people disregarding the guidelines..

Mistakes are costing lives!

 

[Sooperhoop]

Didn't the female medical advisor (I think it was same one that said we have been an 'exemplar' to the rest of the world) say just yesterday (maybe the day before) that closing our borders would have made no difference to the spread of the virus. This defies logic.

And other experts have said the opposite, so even they can't agree. Like you I think open borders have fuelled the spread. The whole management of this has been abysmal from the delayed start onwards..

 

[Sooperhoop]

I agree that mistakes have been made Sooper but you cannot guarantee that "many thousands have needlessly died as a result". You don't know every case, where it originated, and when. Say if 100 people died today you cannot possibly link those deaths to the Liverpool match (agree some yes).
For me, the failings now are letting flights come in from infected areas and people disregarding the guidelines..

I'd say the tube ran for almost two weeks before Khan changed his tune and in that time any number of people would have been infected and then spread it on before the lockdown. The government knew what was happening at least two weeks before lockdown but obviously knew the financial implications as well, if that was the reason for the delay it was a false economy both in monetary and human terms...

 

[qprbeth]

On March 19 and April 2 the Department of Health issued policy guidance to hospitals, say that to ‘protect the NHS’ all elderly patients who did not need urgent hospital treatment should be discharged to care homes. Regardless of whether they had been tested for COVID19 or even if they had been tested positive, as long as they did not need urgent hospital treatment.

Is it not some kind of criminal offence to send an infectious person into an environment containing vulnerable people?

To be fair the policy has worked, because the NHS has not collapsed and is still ‘open for business’ as long as you don’t define ‘business’ as much other than care for COVID19. Plus it’s had the added bonus of dyed in the wool Tories calling care home owners ‘greedy’ and calling for them to be nationalised. Yay.

Source: Daily Telegraph page 1.

So this is the most disturbing and upsetting thing I have read in a while. I have to say, the (to me) surprising numbers of infections and deaths in care homes has been worrying me for a while
Some people have said unkind words about some of the care home/workers, but from what I have seen, poorly paid or not they would take absolutely every care they could. Nearly every home closed to visitors/relatives very early. It is being reported that maybe 50% of the care homes have at least one positive patient. Yes they are the most vulnerable, but sort of beggars belief how this has happened.

Is this what happened....to clear the beds in the NHS, they sent old people, who had been in a hospital environment fot a time home to the community and to care homes without testing. It explains at least some of the extraordinary transmission that has happened to the homes
There is a lot of explanations to be given in the future, politicians, Medical and clinical experts, NHS planners.... it will not make nice reading

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Didn't the female medical advisor (I think it was same one that said we have been an 'exemplar' to the rest of the world) say just yesterday (maybe the day before) that closing our borders would have made no difference to the spread of the virus. This defies logic.

Also the one who gave us “testing isn’t right for rich countries like us”. Definitely independent though.