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We don’t seem to have an National Health Service anymore, we have a National COVID19 Service. Just about all of the measures taken to date have been about stopping the NHS collapsing - the NHS the national totem, the voodoo fetish of unity, the thing we all (well all except the ultra free market health is a commodity goons) support - and in fact it has, stealthily, behind the scenes, with no fanfare - collapsed, because unless you have COVID19 we don’t seem to have a way to get treated, unless it’s via A&E and due to Operation Fear even the sickest don’t want to go down that route. Brilliant demand control measures!

And according to Whitty it will be like this for at least another calendar year, as he says there is only a very small chance that there will be a vaccine or good treatments within this time, so we will have to keep loads of capacity for COVID19 patients especially in intensive care. Although Sarah Gilbert says she has an 80% chance of getting a vaccine through trials by September, and I know for a fact that multiple different potential treatments are being trialled as we speak.

No authoritative sources of information available, all comment is speculation or anecdote.

That's overly harsh imo. People are choosing not to go understandably but over the last week they have brought up several times in the briefings that it is still open for business. It will take a while for people to gain confidence.
 
Another 589 people have died in UK hospitals after contracting coronavirus, taking the death toll to at least 18,797.
 
Yes and no, sorry to be so non binary.
Just interested to understand certain psyche, my personal opinion is that if lockdowns and social distancing measures (however effective) were not conducted, that this would likely have overrun close to the Armageddon that worse case scenarios were predicting.
Easier for me to see the complete sense of lockdown in the safety and comfort of my over privileged life - I have the self awareness of that at least.

On the Swedish model? Time will tell, the natives are restless, the Scandinavians have roughly same situation in terms of sparsity of people :

Sweden - 2021 deaths and not yet plateaued - many reports of additional deaths not included due to heart attacks at home etc.
Denmark - 394 - 14 days of continuous lower numbers
Norway - 189 - virtually nothing for past weeks

Denmark and Norway could hardly be classed as a lockdown but the measures that were taken were fully described.
Denmark and Norway are well on the way through phased reopening.

Concise and clear answer...thank you.
Could Sweden also be more severely affected because of its larger immigrant community (I’m sure I read that somewhere) ? Have you got the same in Denmark ? I really am genuinely confused with what’s happening in Sweden.....and whether they’ve got it right or not as it seems there are two completely different views.
 
Concise and clear answer...thank you.
Could Sweden also be more severely affected because of its larger immigrant community (I’m sure I read that somewhere) ? Have you got the same in Denmark ? I really am genuinely confused with what’s happening in Sweden.....and whether they’ve got it right or not as it seems there are two completely different views.

They have indeed, most based in the South, especially the Malmo area.
The % of deaths hasn't swung higher towards the immigrants as in other countries.
Let's see how they fare in phase 2 of this.

You should also know that compared to Norwegians and Danes - the Swedes are in the main conflict shy with split personalities who can only speak up with a drink in hand.

Wishing you all to stay safe and well.
 
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They have indeed, most based in the South, especially the Malmo area.
The % of deaths hasn't swung higher towards the immigrants as in other countries.
Let's see how they fare in phase 2 of this.

You should also know that compared to Norwegians and Danes - the Swedes are in the main conflict shy with split personalities who can only speak up with a drink in hand.

Wishing you all to stay safe and well.

I shall tell my mate from Upsalla your description.....it fits him well :)
 
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Dodgy start from Hancock today. nervous and all over the place with his figures.
I also cringe when he says about the dead "you will not be forgotten. Your stories will live on"... It just comes across a bit false
 
It says 'after contracting the virus' which suggests that it could include someone that contracted the virus, got better, and then got hit by a bus.
Bloody hell I was going to say something like that... I may have even used the word bus!
 
A day in my life.....

Coronavirus: 'Murder threats' to telecoms engineers over 5G
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Telecoms engineers have told Radio 1 Newsbeat they're being threatened and harassed by people who believe they're working on 5G, which has been wrongly linked to coronavirus.

Claims about any link have been branded complete rubbish by scientists.

But the union and trade body representing thousands of workers across the UK say they've had around 120 cases of abuse reported to them.

The reports have included threats of extreme violence.

"We've actually had cases where people have been threatened with being stabbed, threatened with physical violence and in some cases actually threatened with murder," says Andy Kerr, deputy general secretary of the Communication Workers Union (CWU).

CWU represents nearly 40,000 telecoms engineers.

Andy says most aren't even working on 5G - they're maintaining the network and playing "a crucial role".

"People are stuck at home - whether they want to watch their box set of Peaky Blinders or somebody's isolated and they want to keep in touch with family.

"The only way to do that is the telecom network. More importantly these are engineers maintaining the network so it's there for all the health and emergency services."

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Image captionDamaged cabling and equipment following a fire at a phone mast in Huddersfield
The National Crime Agency has confirmed there has been a series of recent arson attacks and cases of criminal damage to telecommunication masts.

Newsbeat's spoken to three engineers who asked for only their first names to be used because they're scared for their safety.

Mike, 28, from North Yorkshire.
Mike's been an engineer for nine years.

"Incidents range from people shouting abuse, videoing, asking us why we're putting up death towers, why we're going to fry everyone.

"We've had objects thrown at engineers. Threats saying they'll come back with groups of lads and stab them. We've had people threaten to shoot us if we don't leave.

He admits they have to be "more vigilant" whilst doing the job since the abuse and harassment of engineers started.

"There's a lot of uncertainty, We need to keep a bit more of a watchful eye on what's going on and who's about."

Jake, 24, from Birmingham
"Everyone I've spoken to says they're having issues.

"Me and my team have had people shouting: 'You're killing everyone, stop putting in the 5G.' Mainly making us feel uncomfortable. Asking us how we are key workers and why we are doing what we're doing.

"There is that worry every day when you get in the van that something could happen - but you just have to get on with it and keep everyone safe in the meantime."

West Midlands Police says the crimes are "being taken extremely seriously due to the risk to the public that they pose".

Sam, 26, from Plymouth
Sam lives with his wife and two daughters and is currently installing temporary sites across the UK for the Nightingale hospitals.

"A member of the public decided to key my truck because he thought I was working on 5G.

"I've made small changes to the way I work. We remove our signage from our vehicles and we're in non-branded company uniform.

"I know of other engineers on sites that have been vandalised - and they've set fire to masts and the cabins have been smashed up.

"My family is concerned. My wife's at home, she nags me day in day out when I leave the house, to keep in contact and make sure I'm ok.

"I love my job and we're helping to keep everyone including the emergency services connected at this crucial time, so I couldn't feel more valued as an engineer."

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It's worth saying once again scientists insist there's no link between the high-speed network and Covid-19.

Olga Robinson is the BBC's specialist in coronavirus and 5G conspiracy theories.

"Scientists say 5G and the coronavirus are completely different things - as different as chalk and cheese - so you can't get the virus by using 5G.

"They also say 5G can't impact your immune system and make you more susceptible because the radio waves being used aren't strong enough to damage your cells, body or immune system."

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Why do people believe it if it isn't true?
"I think what makes these conspiracy theories more believable is that we still don't know a lot about the coronavirus," says Olga.

She says the theories also rely on "so-called experts and use scientific terms so it looks very sophisticated".

And Olga has a few easy tips on how to check what you're reading is true.

"First of all stop and think, don't immediately share," says Olga.

"Then check the source of that claim. Who is that person, who is that group that you've seen making the claim?"

In other words, don't believe that message in your WhatsApp group from a friend of a friend claiming to have been sent an email by someone who got an email from a doctor.

"Read the claims carefully and investigate every single one of them because there are so many half-truths doing the rounds on social media.

"And if you're still unsure after all your googling and checks, just don't share - it's a simple as that."
 
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