Off Topic Coronavirus
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That’s very cynical, Bob. You’ll be telling me there’s a eugenicist having a huge influence over government policy next.
You mean like some of the young that have died and had no underlying health problems? Other than you, who said they aren't doing postmortems?
Here is a statement from the coroner's office.
Postmortems will not be necessary in cases of Covid-19 unless ‘other circumstances are present’
Postmortems on people who die from coronavirus will not be necessary in most cases unless there are other underlying causes, the coroners’ service has confirmed.
As for the BAME comments. Many doctors and professionals have died from this and I wouldn't call them poor?
Absolutely right Stan, and then add in other factors:-
1. viral load.
So if you are fit and healthy and you get a single CoVid sneeze, it will get in but your immune system will deal with it.
If you are a care worker that gets couged and sneezed at for days, your viral load will rise up and overcome all the good work being carried out by your healthy body. So some of these younger fitter nurses etc are dying because they just get too much infection.
2. Genetic susceptability
The Covid virus binds to the ACE2 receptor, and is taken into the body by that transporter. There is known to be polymorphisms in human ACE2. Polymorphisms are like mutations but they do not change the function of the protein, but they can make the binding of the virus easier or harder to get in. If easier...more virus gets in...and you are ill. If less gets in or perhaps none at all...then you stay well
3 (TB) vaccination
This came up on my feed this morning. Apparently places that have mandatory schemes for TB vaccination (Scandanavia, Germany, Holland) are fairing better than countries that do not (like Italy/USA). It is unclear how this is happening (it is just an observation at the moment)....but may also relate to the fact that younger people in these pro-vaccination countries still retain some of the activation of a certain part of their immune system and that gives them a little more protection. Older people did not get vaccinated or it was a long time ago and the effect has worn off
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I saw this on another thread too but heard different things about how long the BCG lasts (hopefully more than 18 years). It sounds plausible enough to me as someone who knows nothing about it.
Beth on point 3, could a factor also be that there is a high prevalence of TB in Asian communities in this country ?
The disease seems to be making a comeback here.
When I had the bcg in about 82 there was a reaction and I had to go to hospital for mere tests
I think they said I had come into contact with someone who had tb
Am I immune
Is it a superpower
Can I eat live bats now
Very cynical indeed. Who, during the middle of a viral disease pandemic would possibly release elderly patients from hospitals back into their care homes without a test? Maybe someone who wants that disease to spread throughout the care homes maybe?? Or at its least worst, someone who has just done a really bad job??
They'll be killing off a large portion of their voters if they cull the elderly.
Maybe Afro caribbeans do have a susceptibility to the infection.
It is know that certain communities have a genetic disposition to hypertension... and it is in the ACE2 gene...
"Hypertension and diabetes are important risk factors
for cardiovascular and renal disease. A positive
association of the angiotensin-converting
enzyme (ACE) I/D polymorphism has been observed in some
but not everycase ± control studies of hypertension in
white populations. Some studies suggest a higher frequency of the DD geno-
type in Afro-Caribbeans with essential hypertension."
Yes Stainsy...TB is in our Asian community. I had my eldest daughter in a London borough and she had a BCG at birth as there was an outbreak then....and obviously TB will effect lung function.
I am sorry there are always reasons why things happen
It is know that certain communities have a genetic disposition to hypertension... and it is in the ACE2 gene...
"Hypertension and diabetes are important risk factors
for cardiovascular and renal disease. A positive
association of the angiotensin-converting
enzyme (ACE) I/D polymorphism has been observed in some
but not everycase ± control studies of hypertension in
white populations. Some studies suggest a higher frequency of the DD geno-
type in Afro-Caribbeans with essential hypertension."
Yes Stainsy...TB is in our Asian community. I had my eldest daughter in a London borough and she had a BCG at birth as there was an outbreak then....and obviously TB will effect lung function.
I am sorry there are always reasons why things happen
Had some more sad news that my friend who lost her mum at the weekend also lost her aunt a couple of days later.
If China had been honest from the start with the truth about what actually happened I am sure that this pandemic would not be where it is right now.
America - 20 million out of work and a leader - whether you like him or not trying his best to rally his fellow Americans by stating that things will get better. Would rather have someone encouraging and being positive than someone negative in charge.
UK- trying it's best to get all citizens self isolating - however even down here in Dorset there were the stupid few that travelled to try to get to the beach. These idiots should be named and shamed - it might be a deterrent.
PPE: Having worked at a special needs children home and school (for 7 years and saw them develop to take on adults and by the time I left had 8 adult homes and a self assisted living home) - all residents had various forms of learning difficulty and autism, we never ran out of PPE. Management always tried to run things on a "just in case" however when any form of illness went round, it would usually affect the majority of kids and staff. At it's busiest we had 70 kids - some for school only but 60 beds normally 52 were occupied. Some of the staff - I could always split into 3 groups - those that needed experience to move on to somewhere else, those that actually cared about the kids - these two groups were my favs and the last lot who needed a job. Usually the hygiene was hit and miss depending on the staff. Cobwebs in bedrooms was usually a fav and dirty door knobs and handles were things that I pulled my hair out of the most. The PPE we had never ran out (one little battle with management I won whilst there). In my new place it has to be British standard but now I work with engineers who need slightly different types of PPE. Both of the Care Homes I worked for were privately owned - the owners all had top of the range cars and were always happy to take money to look after these kids. I think that the owners of allot of these care homes should now start to invest in their employees safety. It is sad that it has taken an event like this to highlight this. My second venture into Care was with a "not for profit" company.....never really understand the not for profit bit again due to the wealth the owners had. Plus their ignorance of a lot of basic safety reporting regulations and procedures. Glad to be out of that one, and glad I do not know anyone with relatives there. Some of the homes left a lot to be desired.
I see that in some other countries like India for example, it appears to be lack of education which is causing further issues.
Lack of education also appears to be with some in the UK
Moan over. On another platform I have been debating with a very left wing friend of mine who had criticized this government with everything they have done how better labour would have done things...….however when I asked how many homes have their leaders and ex leaders (Blair and Corbin) given to homeless, or do you think the money spent on an illegal war could have been given to to NHS it goes quiet.
I am furloughing until the end of the month...this is week two. I swop at the end of the month and as you can tell getting bored.
Stay safe everyone
If China had been honest from the start with the truth about what actually happened I am sure that this pandemic would not be where it is right now.
America - 20 million out of work and a leader - whether you like him or not trying his best to rally his fellow Americans by stating that things will get better. Would rather have someone encouraging and being positive than someone negative in charge.
UK- trying it's best to get all citizens self isolating - however even down here in Dorset there were the stupid few that travelled to try to get to the beach. These idiots should be named and shamed - it might be a deterrent.
PPE: Having worked at a special needs children home and school (for 7 years and saw them develop to take on adults and by the time I left had 8 adult homes and a self assisted living home) - all residents had various forms of learning difficulty and autism, we never ran out of PPE. Management always tried to run things on a "just in case" however when any form of illness went round, it would usually affect the majority of kids and staff. At it's busiest we had 70 kids - some for school only but 60 beds normally 52 were occupied. Some of the staff - I could always split into 3 groups - those that needed experience to move on to somewhere else, those that actually cared about the kids - these two groups were my favs and the last lot who needed a job. Usually the hygiene was hit and miss depending on the staff. Cobwebs in bedrooms was usually a fav and dirty door knobs and handles were things that I pulled my hair out of the most. The PPE we had never ran out (one little battle with management I won whilst there). In my new place it has to be British standard but now I work with engineers who need slightly different types of PPE. Both of the Care Homes I worked for were privately owned - the owners all had top of the range cars and were always happy to take money to look after these kids. I think that the owners of allot of these care homes should now start to invest in their employees safety. It is sad that it has taken an event like this to highlight this. My second venture into Care was with a "not for profit" company.....never really understand the not for profit bit again due to the wealth the owners had. Plus their ignorance of a lot of basic safety reporting regulations and procedures. Glad to be out of that one, and glad I do not know anyone with relatives there. Some of the homes left a lot to be desired.
I see that in some other countries like India for example, it appears to be lack of education which is causing further issues.
Lack of education also appears to be with some in the UK
Moan over. On another platform I have been debating with a very left wing friend of mine who had criticized this government with everything they have done how better labour would have done things...….however when I asked how many homes have their leaders and ex leaders (Blair and Corbin) given to homeless, or do you think the money spent on an illegal war could have been given to to NHS it goes quiet.
I am furloughing until the end of the month...this is week two. I swop at the end of the month and as you can tell getting bored.
Stay safe everyone
The viral load explanation seems to confirm what I had suspected - that if you are otherwise healthy, you have to be exposed to a whole lot of the virus to be seriously ill with it. Just running this up the flagpole
, but wouldn't this suggest that brief exposure would help towards immunity?
MaybeThe viral load explanation seems to confirm what I had suspected - that if you are otherwise healthy, you have to be exposed to a whole lot of the virus to be seriously ill with it. Just running this up the flagpole
If you are otherwise healthy
Otherwise it might kill you
Good post Ninj. It's always nice to hear from people that work in areas like yours.
Your comments on China are spot on. They bloody caused this and tried to cover it up with the help of some senior people in WHO. Although I will admit that there is still the argument of allowing flights in from infected areas.
You discussed 'stupid people' breaking rules. I truly now believe that one reason why South Korea had fewer problems is the respect they have for each and the authority. I can't imagine 600 parties at the weekend in Seoul? They have obeyed distancing rules and from the news reports I have seen on TV, look to have stuck rigorously to them. That could never happen here sadly. There will always be one who breaks the chain.
You do realise you won't get many 'likes' with those political comments... even though they are spot on.
Bit more news from around Europe.....
Portugal extends lockdown as WHO sounds Europe warning
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0416/1130864-greece-migrants-coronavirus/
Portugal extends lockdown as WHO sounds Europe warning
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0416/1130864-greece-migrants-coronavirus/
See Beth’s comprehensive and learned responses.
That statement about post mortems is interesting. As far as I can see there is no data released on the number of these conducted to date, or any results/learnings.