Off Topic Coronavirus

[sb_73]

Sweden taking the Trumpian approach.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nce-lockdown-raises-questions-tough-approach/

What do you reckon?

Sorry, that looks quite passive aggressive on the screen. Genuine question, I swing from massive public health efforts one minute to save the economy and younger generations the next.

Today is the first day that this **** has begun to affect my mood. I think it was the Italian death toll which did it.

 

[Stroller]

What do you reckon?

I'm inclined towards it. It makes sense. That is until you have to consider the individuals affected and their families. If you can shut that out, which Trump plainly can, it seems the way to go. A horrible choice, though.

 

[sb_73]

I'm inclined towards it. It makes sense. That is until you have to consider the individuals affected and their families. If you can shut that out, which Trump plainly can, it seems the way to go. A horrible choice, though.

Yeah, I added to my original stark question.

It’s only worth doing what we are doing if it works. Did it really work in China? It’s not working in Italy and Spain. How do we judge?

Could be that the economy is gone already.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Yeah, I added to my original stark question.

It’s only worth doing what we are doing if it works. Did it really work in China? It’s not working in Italy and Spain. How do we judge?

Could be that the economy is gone already.

The world is going to be in a severe recession for some time and austerity on steroids imo

If we took the Swedish approach, we could badly damage the NHS and its workers. I think the lockdown approach is right. If Trump puts the economy first, the virus will rage through the country

 

[sb_73]

The world is going to be in a severe recession for some time and austerity on steroids imo

If we took the Swedish approach, we could badly damage the NHS and its workers. I think the lockdown approach is right. If Trump puts the economy first, the virus will rage through the country

Only if the lockdown works. What’s your criterion for success, in terms of a deaths total (brutal I know, but it’s the only real currency)? It’s ****ing difficult and I’m glad I don’t have to make the decision. I’m afraid the NHS and it’s workers are going to be badly damaged whatever.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Only if the lockdown works. What’s your criterion for success, in terms of a deaths total (brutal I know, but it’s the only real currency)? It’s ****ing difficult and I’m glad I don’t have to make the decision. I’m afraid the NHS and it’s workers are going to be badly damaged whatever.

I can't put a figure on it, but our partial lockdown should allow the badly infected to feed through at a lesser rate so the NHS isn't overwhelmed. Trump should have acted earlier. I think many will die unnecessarily because he was in denial

 

[sb_73]

I can't put a figure on it, but our partial lockdown should allow the badly infected to feed through at a lesser rate so the NHS isn't overwhelmed. Trump should have acted earlier. I think many will die unnecessarily because he was in denial

The CMO has put the figure of 20,000 deaths on it I think as a ‘good but tragic’ outcome. Anything much above that is an indication that the lockdown hasn’t worked, or hasn’t worked as intended. I don’t know what timescale he meant for this.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

The CMO has put the figure of 20,000 deaths on it I think as a ‘good but tragic’ outcome. Anything much above that is an indication that the lockdown hasn’t worked, or hasn’t worked as intended. I don’t know what timescale he meant for this.

It should be comparative though. Compare with a country that doesn't bring in tough restrictions. It seems to have worked for China. South Korea's success was that they had tests available and used without delay. We, like other countries, don't have these yet so we have to buy time by lockdown until we can have a testing programme

 

[kiwiqpr]

I can't put a figure on it, but our partial lockdown should allow the badly infected to feed through at a lesser rate so the NHS isn't overwhelmed. Trump should have acted earlier. I think many will die unnecessarily because he was in denial

What's a partial lockdown

Last week Just about every business was shut here and people told To go home and self isolate for four weeks
Numbers of cases here are climbing but as of yesterday no deaths
So far

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

What's a partial lockdown

Last week Just about every business was shut here and people told To go home and self isolate for four weeks
Numbers of cases here are climbing but as of yesterday no deaths
So far

A full lockdown would be curfews and possibly army on the streets. UK still relies on people's good sense. Not always with justification

 

[kiwiqpr]

A full lockdown would be curfews and possibly army on the streets. UK still relies on people's good sense. Not always with justification

Ahh ok
Same as here without the army then

 

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Mate, if this thing is not controlled by current measures, we're going to lose many of our 'rights'. Hopefully temporarily!

 

[QPR999]

Mate, if this thing is not controlled by current measures, we're going to lose many of our 'rights'. Hopefully temporarily!

From what I've seen personally, people are following the current measures. The police seem to have taken it upon themselves to impose new and made-up laws.
Nowhere in the government guidance does it say you can only exercise up to one hour a day, nor does it say you can't visit a local beauty spot. The bit about grassing up people you think are not social distancing is a bit rich when we still have planeloads of passengers arriving from the worst known affected countries.

Stay safe mate, and hopefully, I'll catch you at or near the ground for a drink when all of this is over.

 

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[kiwiqpr]

From what I've seen personally, people are following the current measures. The police seem to have taken it upon themselves to impose new and made-up laws.
Nowhere in the government guidance does it say you can only exercise up to one hour a day, nor does it say you can't visit a local beauty spot. The bit about grassing up people you think are not social distancing is a bit rich when we still have planeloads of passengers arriving from the worst known affected countries.

Stay safe mate, and hopefully, I'll catch you at or near the ground for a drink when all of this is over.

If the country is in lock down why are planes full of people stillarriving
Are they being put into isolation

 

[QPR999]

If the country is in lock down why are planes full of people stillarriving
Are they being put into isolation

The Country is not in lockdown ( What a horrible term, usually reserved for prisons and martial law ) ... yet. I think the agreed agenda is that those passengers self isolate for fourteen days, but I don't see or how this is enforced. Still, the police are sending up drones to capture folk out walking and persecuting them without breaking any of the guidance.

 

[kiwiqpr]

The Country is not in lockdown ( What a horrible term, usually reserved for prisons and martial law ) ... yet. I think the agreed agenda is that those passengers self isolate for fourteen days, but I don't see or how this is enforced. Still, the police are sending up drones to capture folk out walking and persecuting them without breaking any of the guidance.

So what are the rules
Do you all have to stay at home unless you are an essential worker
The only shops open here are supermarkets and chemists
Everyone else MUST stay at home and self isolate for four weeks
Pretty sure no planes are allowed
Not even internally

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

From what I've seen personally, people are following the current measures. The police seem to have taken it upon themselves to impose new and made-up laws.
Nowhere in the government guidance does it say you can only exercise up to one hour a day, nor does it say you can't visit a local beauty spot. The bit about grassing up people you think are not social distancing is a bit rich when we still have planeloads of passengers arriving from the worst known affected countries.

Stay safe mate, and hopefully, I'll catch you at or near the ground for a drink when all of this is over.

Well said.

Talking to the bloke who’s fixing my car, has been since last October (long story), on the phone a couple of days ago. He was driving alone to his very isolated workshop in Somerset on Tuesday to do some work, essential to his survival, when he was pulled over by the old bill and told yo go home as he wasn’t an essential worker.

Annoyingly, he didn’t challenge their interpretation of the wording.

Having discovered that I fall through all of Sunak’s cracks, I’ll be fighting my cause to earn and survive for as long as poss.