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Not really appropriate to ‘like’ your post but take it as a vote of sympathy.

You’re going to get more fractious? :emoticon-0105-wink:
Semantics sir. it's a long time since I've got annoyed by any poster on the Forum. Perhaps I've mellowed or matured. Or perhaps as with QT now that Brexit has been decided, we. like our politicians have remembered that it's ok for someone to have a different point of view. and haven't felt the need to denigrate them in public.
 
Hey mate, each to their own, surely you agree that it's a good job that everyone didn't do what stroller did. Nobody can say if he didn't endanger anyone or himself and his family as we arent tested. I dont mean this out of nastiness or badness. I just wonder what it would take for someone (I'm using stroller as he has just freely told us) to stop doing these trips.

To be perfectly honest Bob, I posted about going in to work today expecting criticism, but also to demonstrate that I was acting within government guidelines.
 
Hey mate, each to their own, surely you agree that it's a good job that everyone didn't do what stroller did. Nobody can say if he didn't endanger anyone or himself and his family as we arent tested. I dont mean this out of nastiness or badness. I just wonder what it would take for someone (I'm using stroller as he has just freely told us) to stop doing these trips.
Free money for 3 months, no repayments.
 
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If the economy dies, more people will die of the ensuing inevitable massive austerity or be homeless and penniless when they cannot repay the loans etc, than will die of this thing. Perhaps.
 
My conscience is clear on this one. I didn't endanger myself or anybody else, but it highlights the contradictory nature of the government's advice/instructions. 'If you can work from home, do so - only go to work if it's absolutely necessary'. As I said above, it was necessary for me to go in to enable me to continue to work from home. Matt Hancock said yesterday that if you can go to work safely, you should, in order to keep the economy going. That's what I did.
To be perfectly honest Bob, I posted about going in to work today expecting criticism, but also to demonstrate that I was acting within government guidelines.
I could criticise but your situation is your situation, your actions hopefully dont infect anyone or you hopefully dont get infected yourself. Theres a big hoorah about the gatherings at the weekend (and rightly so). What you did today was in my opinion just the same. That's just my opinion. We have seen how just one person can infect so many both indirectly and unintentionally. I just hope it wasn't a devastating experiment to highlight the government's guidelines.
 
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If the economy dies, more people will die of the ensuing inevitable massive austerity or be homeless and penniless when they cannot repay the loans etc, than will die of this thing. Perhaps.
Unlock then hey let's all just risk it.
I would rather have a loan I couldn't pay back over losing a loved one any day of the week. Like I said, each to their own.
 
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I could criticise but your situation is your situation, your actions hopefully dont infect anyone or you hopefully dont get infected yourself. Theres a big hoorah about the gatherings at the weekend (and rightly so). What you did today was in my opinion just the same. That's just my opinion. We have seen how just one person can infect so many both indirectly and unintentionally. I just hope it wasn't a devastating experiment to highlight the government's guidelines.

As I have said, I didn't get within 6 feet of anyone all day. Plenty of handwashing, no danger to anyone. I think the experiment that Trump is about to undertake in the US will be rather more dangerous.
 
As I have said, I didn't get within 6 feet of anyone all day. Plenty of handwashing, no danger to anyone. I think the experiment that Trump is about to undertake in the US will be rather more dangerous.

I was out at work all day, came across one other person (we kept our distance) and I was at four seperate sites, travelled in my own vehicle and had plenty of handwash with me.

At petrol station (have you seen how cheap diesel is now?) wore gloves, pay-at-pump, and disposed of them and immediately handwashed after, including my debit card.
 
i'd like to think that Trumps speech saying it will all be over by Easter was just a speech to give people a little hope to hold onto.

I also hope that Boris (let's face it, whether you like him or Tories or not) hasn't had an easy start. If he can provide enough to everyone during this crisis to keep people in their homes with food in their stomachs then they will probably repay by helping make this country Great again

Keep safe everyone
 
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As I have said, I didn't get within 6 feet of anyone all day. Plenty of handwashing, no danger to anyone. I think the experiment that Trump is about to undertake in the US will be rather more dangerous.

Five million people use the London Underground apparently. Even with some drop off that's a hell of a lot of people to pack in carriages, and most travel during the rush hour. And Sadiq Khan cuts the numbers of trains.

When I worked in London and used the Northern Line, I got an average of three head colds a year. I'm sure I got them on packed tubes. The virus will spread on these trains faster than anywhere else

PS I stopped working in London in 1998, and have had only one head cold since.
 
What professor? Nobody has predicted 20k deaths, the Chief Scientific Officer said it would be a ‘good’ outcome. It it’s him that’s now saying a lower total could be possible, great. As far as I can tell it won’t be for another two weeks that we have any evidence that efforts to delay the spread have had any impact.

Is this right? We know that we won't have any data on the lag indicator - deaths per day - until two weeks post lockdown, but the lead indicator - number of new infections per day - could start to drop before the two/three week lockdown deadline.
 
I was out at work all day, came across one other person (we kept our distance) and I was at four seperate sites, travelled in my own vehicle and had plenty of handwash with me.

At petrol station (have you seen how cheap diesel is now?) wore gloves, pay-at-pump, and disposed of them and immediately handwashed after, including my debit card.

I was working all day.
Drove to and from work in my car, alone.
Met no one face to face all day.
Used hand sanitiser all day.
No public transport.
Couldn't be any safer imo.
 
Five million people use the London Underground apparently. Even with some drop off that's a hell of a lot of people to pack in carriages, and most travel during the rush hour. And Sadiq Khan cuts the numbers of trains.

When I worked in London and used the Northern Line, I got an average of three head colds a year. I'm sure I got them on packed tubes. The virus will spread on these trains faster than anywhere else

PS I stopped working in London in 1998, and have had only one head cold since.

A couple of years ago, I went for general heath check-up at my GP surgery. Apart from high blood pressure, all was good, but I did mention to him that I seemed to get one head cold after another. 'Just keep washing your hands', he said.
 
I think the decision to create global depression is completely disproportionate to the crisis, by an enormous factor.
Could help my pension.
This side of the argument seems to be getting no traction, or even a hearing, anywhere other than the White House. It’s a shame because it is the real decision. To be honest I was sort of on this side to begin with, until I realised that if we let this rip the additional death toll might be enormous, and that the instant and total collapse of our health services (still a possibility) would be shattering.

Personally I suspect that the measures are mainly about avoiding the political disaster of a collapsed NHS rather than saving the vulnerable, and that they have calculated that we let the establishment get away with the last financial crash which they were completely responsible for, so they are probably thinking we’ll let them off with another ten years of misery for a rather better reason.

But will we?
Is this right? We know that we won't have any data on the lag indicator - deaths per day - until two weeks post lockdown, but the lead indicator - number of new infections per day - could start to drop before the two/three week lockdown deadline.
we have no accurate way of measuring the real number of new infections a day. We are only testing people ill enough to go to hospital, a tiny fraction of infections. Death rate are the only reliable measure I think.