Are we talking about your mates in the EU commission? They really are a great lot?It’s plausible to think this is a terrible government for various reasons and also not wish to contract a potentially fatal virus.

Are we talking about your mates in the EU commission? They really are a great lot?It’s plausible to think this is a terrible government for various reasons and also not wish to contract a potentially fatal virus.

Covid: Thousands attend Israel funeral for orthodox rabbi
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Thousands of ultra-Orthodox mourners have gathered in Jerusalem to attend the funeral of a top rabbi, in breach of Israel's coronavirus regulations.
Rabbi Meshulam Dovid Soloveitchik, 99, died on Sunday following months of ill health after contracting Covid-19.
The country is currently under a third national lockdown, but police did not intervene to disperse the crowd.
The scenes sparked backlash from deputy prime minister Benny Gantz ahead of a vote to extend lockdown rules.
"Millions of families and children are locked in their homes and abide by the rules while thousands of Haredim crowd the funeral, most of them even without masks," Mr Gantz tweeted describing it as evidence of "unequal enforcement".
"We will not agree to the continuation of an ineffective fake lockdown. Either everyone is locked down - or everyone opens. The days of indulgence are over."
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image captionA police spokesman told local media: "I won't go and confront 20,000 people because I'm not capable of it"
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image captionThe country's current lockdown is due to expire at midnight, unless extended
Relations between Israel's power-sharing coalition partners, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the centrist Mr Gantz, collapsed last month.
They and their parties will now face an early election in March - the fourth in two years. Ultra-Orthodox Israelis, or Haredim, make up a key part of Mr Netanyahu's voting base so the perceived double-standard about lockdown enforcement has become a big political issue.
There has been clashes reported across the country in recent weeks when officials have tried to challenge groups flouting social distancing guidelines - including by keeping orthodox schools open and holding mass events.
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I have just read that Capt Tom went to Barbados at Christmas.I mentioned Sir Tom's Covid to Mrs Maple and her immediate comment was identical to Ellers. My thoughts were was the same as Kiwi's
I'm not knocking him, because at the end of the day he has been an inspiration for the country. Just not sure flying to Barbados at Christmas was the right thing.Paid for by british airways
We cannot return to exactly the same conditions as before the pandemic Stan simply because our sense of invulnerabilty has gone. This pandemic has shown us that we need to step back a little from the idea of globalization (a polite word for Capitalism taking over the World) and need to relocalize resources more in the future. What has become plain to see is that the free market ideology can offer no solutions at times like this and that it has robbed the state of the central control of resources which is necessary under such emergency conditions. Ideally I hope that we will have at least learned that it is no advantage having such things as the pharmaceutical giants in private hands. I hope also that the days of cheap flights to exotic destinations (for less price than a train from Hamburg to Cologne) have gone, and also that we have seen the dangers inherent in our present animal farming. I resent the fact that this disease was brought into our countries by those privileged classes which can afford skiing holidays and have business connections to Asia and was then given to those most at risk ie. the poor - those who have to use public transport, cannot work from home, and who are less able to socially distance. What does 'getting back to normal' mean ? That I can go to concerts, restaurants, theatres, cinemas, small corner shops etc. But will they still be there after this is over ? Or will the town centres have died, and only global supermarket chains will be left over ? In short whole areas of the economy are being sacrificed for the common good - recompensing them for that will need use of measures such as wealth tax, and plans for a redistribution of wealth on a scale we have not seen before.According to a survey in the Sunday Times there is very little belief amongst the public that the lockdown will finish by ‘late spring’ (whenever that is, perhaps when the larks start rising?), but when it does 62% would like life to return to exactly the way it was before the pandemic.
Well, their choice I suppose. I would like to have a health service and public health system prepared for a pandemic though, which would be a new thing. And that’s just the beginning of a pretty long list....
could be a meteor mate! Fiery and quick! Or a massive climate induced famine!
I was only reporting what the majority of the British people, according to a survey in a newspaper, would like, not calling for a blueprint for a new socio-economic order. Publish your manifesto and be damned!We cannot return to exactly the same conditions as before the pandemic Stan simply because our sense of invulnerabilty has gone. This pandemic has shown us that we need to step back a little from the idea of globalization (a polite word for Capitalism taking over the World) and need to relocalize resources more in the future. What has become plain to see is that the free market ideology can offer no solutions at times like this and that it has robbed the state of the central control of resources which is necessary under such emergency conditions. Ideally I hope that we will have at least learned that it is no advantage having such things as the pharmaceutical giants in private hands. I hope also that the days of cheap flights to exotic destinations (for less price than a train from Hamburg to Cologne) have gone, and also that we have seen the dangers inherent in our present animal farming. I resent the fact that this disease was brought into our countries by those privileged classes which can afford skiing holidays and have business connections to Asia and was then given to those most at risk ie. the poor - those who have to use public transport, cannot work from home, and who are less able to socially distance. What does 'getting back to normal' mean ? That I can go to concerts, restaurants, theatres, cinemas, small corner shops etc. But will they still be there after this is over ? Or will the town centres have died, and only global supermarket chains will be left over ? In short whole areas of the economy are being sacrificed for the common good - recompensing them for that will need use of measures such as wealth tax, and plans for a redistribution of wealth on a scale we have not seen before.
It's not a case of publishing manifestoes Stan but rather opening up a new area of debate ie. what kind of World do we want to see post Covid 19. I don't think that you can deny that the countries which have struggled the most in the battle against Covid 19 are those where free market thinking are most pronounced. Do you really want to see whole countries cap in hand to the giant pharma industries and the question of supply of essentials becoming subject only to market forces ? The Germans had no idea until this crisis how many of their medicines had been outsourced to China without their knowledge and will reverse this after Covid 19. I have no intention of publishing manifestoes, and would not do it here - you are also doing me an injustice if you think that such a manifesto would resemble the so called 'old communist bloc' whose prime objective was to avoid real Communism.I was only reporting what the majority of the British people, according to a survey in a newspaper, would like, not calling for a blueprint for a new socio-economic order. Publish your manifesto and be damned!
Perhaps not on this thread though. I think the GameStop stuff is more revolutionary than anything I’ve seen to do with the virus. Nationalise big Pharma and see exactly the same amount of innovative medicines released as were over decades by the old communist bloc and China, ie none, even though they had a massive incentive to invest in this.
Not a discussion I’m interested in having, I’m afraid. I’m sure you’ll find other takers.It's not a case of publishing manifestoes Stan but rather opening up a new area of debate ie. what kind of World do we want to see post Covid 19. I don't think that you can deny that the countries which have struggled the most in the battle against Covid 19 are those where free market thinking are most pronounced. Do you really want to see whole countries cap in hand to the giant pharma industries and the question of supply of essentials becoming subject only to market forces ? The Germans had no idea until this crisis how many of their medicines had been outsourced to China without their knowledge and will reverse this after Covid 19. I have no intention of publishing manifestoes, and would not do it here - you are also doing me an injustice if you think that such a manifesto would resemble the so called 'old communist bloc' whose prime objective was to avoid real Communism.
Ok. I will consider this matter closed !Not a discussion I’m interested in having, I’m afraid. I’m sure you’ll find other takers.
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