I shall have to reset as only see 1 side of the argument seems quite heated!Where to begin ? , I really don’t have time or the inclination, let’s just call it quits
I shall have to reset as only see 1 side of the argument seems quite heated!Where to begin ? , I really don’t have time or the inclination, let’s just call it quits
Third Kill the Bill protest in Bristol planned this week
It will be the third protest against the bill in under a week
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/third-kill-bill-protest-planned-5220575
Well those who can read anyway, [HASHTAG]#198[/HASHTAG] exposes your lie, you said 'picture' as in one 'picture', which is clearly not true.
As a tax payer of over 50 years and still paying, I have never understood the willingness of successive governments for allowing groups, who want to live outside of a society that they despise in their alternative lifestyles, but want the despicable society to fund it.
Due to successive governments criminalising lifestyles its impossible to live outside of society whether you despise it or not. The anarchist centre BASE in Easton and the anarcho leaning Rockaway park at Temple Cloud have to take part in taxation, rates .. They are not off grid or allowed to be.
New age travellers who now increasingly can't had their alternative festivals shut down by successive Governments harming their ability to create capital by selling their goods and services.
Government pro actively denies people means to live alternative lifestyles so some will seek economic security using a state that prevents them creating their own independent security. Its cyclic. Not all are scroungers or intend to be.
I am all for people with a skill selling their goods and services, these people seem to operate online with everything else that they do, why not for their goods and services?
To be honest I don't care what they do as long as they live within the law of the land in all of it's aspects. I don't think that is too much to ask in civilised society.
I am not free to pick and choose which laws I ignore, taxation is out of my hands and always has been, I pay what they take full stop, I can't sit down on College green with a can of special brew, because it's illegal and I would be fined.
I would love to live off grid but I can't and I couldn't when I lived in France.
they made 14 arrests last night.. double Sunday nights!It will be the third protest against the bill in under a week
they made 14 arrests last night.. double Sunday nights!
I was almost in stitch's with the comments made on local ITV at 6pm.. "we are protesting quietly, reading poetry, singing, have some music then we lie down peacefully on the floor and they trample on us ... I was trampled on!" … etc etc etc … fair play me thinks … gave them some time to meet up ...against the law, mind you, and requested via specially trained officers to leave or you will be removed for over 4 hours. At around 9pm were asked to leave and they said we will leave in the next hour … at 10.30 they were told they had more than the half hour, and music was being played dancing etc … before a wall of over 100 riot police dogs and horses advanced … Richard Head with his back pack tried to stand up in front of them and hold them back.... just made it to the loo before almost collapsing in stitch's …
The bully boys and thugs will try it on this Friday but the tide has turned no more mamby pamby
Due to successive governments criminalising lifestyles its impossible to live outside of society whether you despise it or not. The anarchist centre BASE in Easton and the anarcho leaning Rockaway park at Temple Cloud have to take part in taxation, rates .. They are not off grid or allowed to be.
New age travellers who now increasingly can't had their alternative festivals shut down by successive Governments harming their ability to create capital by selling their goods and services.
Government pro actively denies people means to live alternative lifestyles so some will seek economic security using a state that prevents them creating their own independent security. Its cyclic. Not all are scroungers or intend to be.
The right to protest is an important facet of democracy. When that right is criminalised then unfortunately, the scenes witnessed this week can be a consequence.
The issue for the government and police is that protest works. No-one would have heard of BLM or XR without protest. Now the government has a diversity agenda and a green agenda. We’d still have the poll tax without protest.
Don’t condone violence but I do oppose the Police, Crime and Sentencing Bill.
not entirely true It was well known before GF … mostly in USA for while before GF and the knee . a woman in Florida?? was the first to come up with the phrase a year or so earlier?? the catalyst was the method used that killed GF … THAT made it a point of interest for the thuggery movement who hi jacked it.No-one would have heard of BLM
what aspects do you oppose all of them? or the bill is going in the right direction but needs fine tuning [ all bills that go through parliament are "raw" when first put forward ] which is the usual way. It is not something that happens immediately after a vote it could take months or years.Don’t condone violence but I do oppose the Police, Crime and Sentencing Bill.
Here’s the thing.
Even though the recent ‘kill the bill’ gatherings have been allowed to happen even though they are illegal under these special set of circumstances.
Last night with the police far more prepared, the demonstrators were allowed to peacefully protest for over 7 hours, from 4pm to 11pm and then they were requested to disperse and warned of the consequences if they didn’t and many refused to do so and once more obviously tooled up for a fight they got one and lost.
Do you think that with the latitude that they have been given in the last 2 gatherings and the way that they have reacted will garner them support?
And here’s the thing about travellers.
Do you believe that perhaps they don’t really help themselves? Go up to Dundry and get caught fly tipping and you rightly get a huge fine. 20 or so caravans force their way on to public and private property and totally trash the place, with zero consequences, do you believe it’s right that the public should foot the bill for clearing up their ****?
You may know that I lived in France for 16 years. There the traveller population are told from the get go, exactly when they are expected to vacate the land that they rocked up on and they also know that failure to adequately clean up their mess will result in huge consequences, huge fines or vehicles and caravans being crushed and they will be sent to whence they came.
Here’s the thing.
Even though the recent ‘kill the bill’ gatherings have been allowed to happen even though they are illegal under these special set of circumstances.
Last night with the police far more prepared, the demonstrators were allowed to peacefully protest for over 7 hours, from 4pm to 11pm and then they were requested to disperse and warned of the consequences if they didn’t and many refused to do so and once more obviously tooled up for a fight they got one and lost.
Do you think that with the latitude that they have been given in the last 2 gatherings and the way that they have reacted will garner them support?
And here’s the thing about travellers.
Do you believe that perhaps they don’t really help themselves? Go up to Dundry and get caught fly tipping and you rightly get a huge fine. 20 or so caravans force their way on to public and private property and totally trash the place, with zero consequences, do you believe it’s right that the public should foot the bill for clearing up their ****?
You may know that I lived in France for 16 years. There the traveller population are told from the get go, exactly when they are expected to vacate the land that they rocked up on and they also know that failure to adequately clean up their mess will result in huge consequences, huge fines or vehicles and caravans being crushed and they will be sent to whence they came.