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Mr Bob said:
They didn't get £13m for Gyan, they made a massive loss on him. Looking at seasonal net spends is misleading for this purpose as it includes players brought in by previous managers and academy graduates (like Henderson who they got a massive fee for) and discounts what the players he brought in eventually left for.

Steve Bruce spent £70-£80m on players in his time at Sunderland, only 5 or 6 ever actually played regularly and of them all only the 3 mentioned prior actually sold for a profit.
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They didn't make a massive loss on Gyan they got a £6m loan fee and another £6m when the deal was made permanent.

Though I missed an entire transfer window off the numbers I posted before, so it was bollocks anyway.
 
bum_chinned_crab said:
Yeah it was a joke...

But if you want to be serious, your first one is a lie. He played in the Premier League on many occasions, therefore by definition he is good enough to do so. Your opinion is he wasnt, the FACT is he was.

And your 4th is a lie - Bruce quitting after getting us promoted and guaranteeing hundreds of millions in income can’t by any stretch of an imagination - except yours - be the reason why we finished nearly bottom of the division below 2 years later with a team made up of mosty non-Bruce signings watched by the lowest crowds in a decade.

Saying Bruce is the reason we’re in a mess now is like saying Barmby was the reason that we got promoted.
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I almost feel I'm being wooshed by such a ridiculous resonse

1 - the only reason Junior ever played in the Prem was because his dad picked him - no one else just his dad - that doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that he was good enough - he wasnt

And 4 - as soon as Brucie got us relegated - the Allams sold arguably our 2 best players in Chester and Brady and after that changed strategy from spending to grow the club to getting their money back - Brucie left because they wouldn' give him another £40 million to spunk - personally I don' blame them - he was supposed to take the club to a new level - he did the Championship - and that was it for the Allams the risks were too high - spending millions didn't guarantee success - why else do you think they stopped putting any more money into the club
 
charon-the-ferryman said:
I almost feel I'm being wooshed by such a ridiculous resonse

1 - the only reason Junior ever played in the Prem was because his dad picked him - no one else just his dad - that doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that he was good enough - he wasnt

And 4 - as soon as Brucie got us relegated - the Allams sold arguably our 2 best players in Chester and Brady and after that changed strategy from spending to grow the club to getting their money back - Brucie left because they wouldn' give him another £40 million to spunk - personally I don' blame them - he was supposed to take the club to a new level - he did the Championship - and that was it for the Allams the risks were too high - spending millions didn't guarantee success - why else do you think they stopped putting any more money into the club
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1) Its a FACT. He played there on many occasions. Doesn’t matter who picked him or whether anybody else did. That, by definition, means he’s good enough.

4) I stopped reading after you said the Championship is a new level. Before Bruce we’d spent 2 seasons in the top flight in over 100 years of our history.
 
bum_chinned_crab said:
1) Its a FACT. He played there on many occasions. Doesn’t matter who picked him or whether anybody else did. That, by definition, means he’s good enough.
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It means he was selected, it does not mean he was good enough; to say it does is wrong.
 
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bum_chinned_crab said:
I never said it wasnt. The point is it was our 4th (i think, havent checked) season ever in the top flight. It should be the most we ever spent.
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Are you contrary on purpose all the times or do you just like a good disagreement.

I quote exactly what you typed:

"You talk as if spending £30m is a lot by Premier League standards."

Please tell me how that can be interpreted any way other than to say that 30m is not a lot by Premier League standards, to which I then put the amount in chronological context, meaning I was saying that back in 2011 30m was a lot and he should probably have done a lot better. All opinion however.
 
LeftSaidFred said:
Are you contrary on purpose all the times or do you just like a good disagreement.

I quote exactly what you typed:

"You talk as if spending £30m is a lot by Premier League standards."

Please tell me how that can be interpreted any way other than to say that 30m is not a lot by Premier League standards, to which I then put the amount in chronological context, meaning I was saying that back in 2011 30m was a lot and he should probably have done a lot better. All opinion however.
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I quote exactly what you typed:

“Relatively speaking you'd be hard pressed to argue that it wasn't a decent war chest back in 2011.”

Decent isn’t a lot.
 
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