Many one night stands, if not all that happened while the female was under the influence of alcohol are technically rape. Alcohol of course removes the ability to consent. Does this apply to men though? Probably not.
Not according to the law and technicalities have NOTHING to do with it. If the Jury believed (which they did) that Evans knew the girl was in no fit condition to consent, that is Rape under Law. This would also cover men taking advantage of girls with severe learning difficuties.
But if a girl says yes while under the influence and then doesnt remember then it still constitutes rape and even if she did say yes but was deemed far to drunk to make that decision then again, its rape. The woman has no responsibility. Her opinion,. her choices do not matter as she is to intoxicated to make that decision. Technicalities have everything to do with it, cases are always thrown out on technicalities. Do you disagree that the girl is responsible for the state she gets HERSELF into. Im not talking about whether she was spiked or not, every drink she drank, was she forced into doing it?
Not only do I disagree, the law does too. Getting drunk is not an invitation to rape. Evans is guilty, no one's fault but his.
Never said it was. I asked if she is responsible for getting herself in that sate. Yes or no. Lets make this easier, the last drink you had, what sort of gun was pressed to your head to drink it? A glock? Or, is it possible you took the decision to drink that drink. Would this woman of been raped had she had more self control. NO, is she responsible for getting raped? NO. Is she responsible for the state she gets herself in? YES. While I will never condone rape or even those who sleep with women who are trollied I also think people who get themselves in these situations should take some responsibility. If you dont get like that in the first place none of this happens.
You are saying that if anyone gets drunk then they cannot expect the Law to protect them. That's nonsense.
Im saying people should know their limits or the should go anywhere near alcohol. If you cant handle it dont mess with it, simple as that.
hhhhmmmmm I blame the rapists. I should be completely free to get as drunk as I want without getting me a new arsehole ripped.
Ah but if he didnt get to the point he couldnt speak, stand up, remember his name or anything that was going on he wouldnt of been raped in the first place. Not his fault but a totally preventable situation. People should be held accountable for their actions., If you are pissed and you kill a family, whos fault is that, yours or the alcohol? Hmmmm
Lets imagine this woman made the decision ( she couldnt of because alcohol takes away that ability ) to get in a car, she drives this car into a crowd of people. 12 die. She goes to court and is found not guilty because she was incapable of making the decision to get in the car due to the alcohol. Is that right, if she cant make a decision in one form then she cannot do it in another.
And what if people don't know their limits? What if people just have one too many because their judgement has been affected by alcohol? There are many reasons why people get steaming drunk, not everyone goes out of an evening with the intention of getting plastered. It matters not a jot "why" they got drunk, if they are in no fit condition to make sensible decisions on their own behalf then people who come into contact with them have a duty of care not to abuse their intoxication. If we start down the road of blaming the victims for the actions of the convicted then we are on dangerous ground. If a man gives another man a knife as a gift, and is then murdered using the same knife is he partly to blame because by giving away the knife he was giving consent to the other man to kill him?
She made a decision to go out and get pissed, she didn't make a decision to go out and get raped. It's not her fault! If she went out and got drunk and killed someone it's her fault as she actually killed the person. The key here is she didn't commit the rape, however it's dressed up it really is that simple.
UIR, surely you can see the difference between doing something and having something done to you? Your examples seem to suggest that she made the decision to **** Ched in the first place.
You would have to be mentally disturbed to give a weapon as a present. However if you dont do something so idiotic then guess what, you dont get stabbed. How does the law work if both parties are smashed. If the girl claims rape because she doesnt remember saying yes but the lad was equally as drunk what happens. Which party is allowed the alcohol made the decison claim and which isnt? Be interesting to find out. Being rape and being largely against the male in most cases I suspect he woman would be able to claim the alcohol prevented her from consenting while the man wont be able to claim alcohol made him unable to say no either. You are right it is very dodgy ground. The only possible solution in these sorts of rape cases are for people to keep a level of control over themselves. Easier said that done though.
