Off Topic Ched Evans Part 2

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"He is as guilty as sin" <doh> Not in the opinion of the Court of Appeal - experienced judges who reviewed all the evidence, including the new information that has come to light that was put forward by the Criminal Cases Review Commission. But as always I guess you know best. <laugh>

He may well be convicted by another jury but at least they'll hear all the evidence this time. For the umpteenth time - at this precise moment he is guilty of NOTHING, and you repeating that he is guilty won't make it true.
 
For someone who says he is in the job you think for one minute we believe ,<laugh>as you are on here 24/7 then i take you with a pinch of salt and a fantasizer...aussie.....
 
Oh you are such an idiot you really are. <doh> I have never said I am "in the job" now. Called to the Bar in 86, NSW Bar 93. Retired 2012. Take it or leave it. You can (and do) argue with me on many things and that's cool, but criminal law? Don't. Just....don't.

But you are funny. Either deliberately on a wind-up or just plain thick as a piece of 2 by 4. <laugh> With every post you seem to defy the laws of physics and actually make yourself look more of a fool. With over 17,000 posts that gives you some idea of how dull you are. <laugh>

I work from home these days so my laptop certainly feels like it's on 24/7. :( If you think my life will change because an opinionated nobody with a cabbage for a brain doesn't believe me think again. <ok>
 
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Whatever. Like I said, that's your choice. You're right in a way because anybody can say anything here and we don't know the truth of it. Does it matter? Probably not.

Bigkidderz is the only poster on here (I think!) who actually knows me as he's my son's mate. If you're really concerned feel free to PM him, but it doesn't really matter. Evans is still not guilty as I type. <ok>
 
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The onus is for him to prove his innocence, he was found guilty and sent to prison so in law he is still guilty until proven otherwise......but i have no sympathy for him one bit. He played with fire and used his money and status to entice vulnerable young girls and the only problem was he got caught....
 
I've known you for ages Dai and I really can't work out if you're winding me up.<laugh> <applause>

"In law" his conviction was set aside. That means he's innocent - for now anyway. I don't understand why you're having trouble with this simple concept. The fact he served time is irrelevant.

Yes, this country gave to the world the principle that a man must prove his innocence. <laugh> The Prosecution having to prove its case "beyond a reasonable doubt" ring a bell? Is the hamster spinning in your wheel or has he ****ed off? <laugh>
 
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swanseaandproud said:
The onus is for him to prove his innocence, he was found guilty and sent to prison so in law he is still guilty until proven otherwise......but i have no sympathy for him one bit. He played with fire and used his money and status to entice vulnerable young girls and the only problem was he got caught....
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He is innocent until proven guilty, he has had the previous conviction removed because in the light of new evidence he is no longer guilty, what part of that don't you understand Dai?........... <laugh>
 
He is not Innocent he was convicted and sent to prison, just because he has been granted an appeal does not make him innocent unless he can prove it.......the Yorkshire ripper has had appeals so was he innocent. thousands pf prisoners apply for a appeal as its normally the next step but they still have a guilty verdict on their record. Chad is no different as you are innocent until proved guilty and once you are found guilty and you are granted an appeal then the reverse happens...you are guilty until proven innocent and if successful the guilty verdict gets quashed and erased from his record....
 
Dai - Evans was granted Leave to Appeal, and the Appeal was heard over 2 days in March. The outcome of the appeal was delivered 2 days ago.

Appearing alone, Lady Justice Hallett told the court: “On 22 and 23 March we heard argument and we heard the fresh evidence.

“In summary, we have concluded that we must allow the appeal and that it is in the interests of justice to order a retrial.”

"Allow" is legalese for saying that the Appellant has won - the original verdict has been overturned/ruled unsafe.

Ahead of the ruling, the prosecution had said it would seek an immediate retrial if Evans won his appeal.

Hallett said Evans must be retried on an allegation of rape and be re-arraigned on a fresh indictment within two months.

Outside court after the ruling, Evans’s solicitor, Shaun Draycott, said: “Ched Evans is extremely grateful that the court of appeal has ruled that his conviction for rape was unsafe and should be quashed.”

As such, Evans' guilt or innocence will be determined in a full re-trial.......
 
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swanseaandproud said:
The onus is for him to prove his innocence, he was found guilty and sent to prison so in law he is still guilty until proven otherwise......but i have no sympathy for him one bit. He played with fire and used his money and status to entice vulnerable young girls and the only problem was he got caught....
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Dai, haven't you heard of innocent before proven guilty? He was found guilty and the verdict since then has been overturned. As of now, he is innocent, until proven otherwise.
 
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Look guys, if he's not going to accept my word as a retired member of the Bar he's not going to accept yours. No offence.
 
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Kifflom! said:
Look guys, if he's not going to accept my word as a retired member of the Bar he's not going to accept yours. No offence.
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None taken Kiff! <cheers>

I intervened because I wondered if Dai didn't "get" the meaning of "... allow the appeal..."

I wondered if he thought that the Judges were going to allow him to appeal........
 
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