We 'had' three first team coaches. Sorry to break it to you. Adams runs training - I've watched him do it
Can't believe it
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Ok. That is specifically the opposite to what we were told and I'd heard, but fair enough.
God knows what you were told then. Look, he's a competent coach, I'll give him that, but so are many people - and let's be honest, our last manager was an exceptional coach but he didn't end up staying long. He doesn't have an aura about him, he doesn't walk in a room and instil that X factor where players and staff say "I want to work for him!" He's small, sweet and personable but he ain't no football manager. Stick him behind the scenes - I'm all for that - let him work with the kids again - but he's not going to be a good manager at pro level
So, if I may summarise, Adams only has responsibility for formation and subs, the first of which is being determined by injuries and the second is "more or less a roll of the dice"? Therefore he is not responsible for anything and shouldn't be sacked?
WTF? If nothing else, the guy should be sacked for doing bugger all. He's taking the piss.
A very interesting read with all your different views, and the tractor boys winding you lot up, as for going backwards, you may have to get used to it, as i watched your lot against hoods men on Saturday (was on live out here) and there wasn't a lot of bright areas to mention, especially as you just came from the EPL, nothing to choose between you both, but after saying that not a lot to choose between any team in this league, the division between Premier and Championship is very wide IMO.
So Adams had no involvement at all in the development of the potentially great players, such as Murphy, that have come through our youth system and because we're having a poor patch it's we're only judge him on that spell. Oh and of course he had nothing to do with all of the players we signed over the summer that a couple of months ago everyone thought were fantastic purchases. Oh and nothing to do with retaining players like Hooper that everyone thought would be sold of.
Of course he has made a few mistakes this season but that is true of any manager.
Well, apart from anything else McNally & co made it pretty clear over the summer that the decision was being made to take a lot of power from the manager and they explained the breakdown loosely then. Now I accept that we can't always take what our "glorious leader" says at face value, but on the basis of the appointments made, I find it hard to understand why it wasn't at least partially the truth - responsibility is now much more spread out than it was under Hughton or Lambert.
So you can get your knickers in a twist about the minutiae of who does what and you can claim superior knowledge of the ins and outs of the club, but I stand by what I said - McNally has been completely justified in firing Robson and keeping Adams on the basis of how responsibility was supposedly split up. Whether the decision will be vindicated remains to be seen.
As for Adams, we will have to agree to disagree, but I do find your reaction quite extraordinary. As far as I'm concerned Adams is, of course, a poor manager simply because he's a novice. Yes, it is a massive risk because we are in a position where you have to ask whether a novice is the right candidate for our club. But we are where we are, more disruption at this stage is likely to spiral us into a Wolves/Fulham-esque vortex of failing managers. And I have a suspicion, which no-one seems to be able to confirm or deny, that the stringent controls on the "Manager" role was the reason why it rapidly became difficult to find an experienced guy who would take on the role. I find the idea that you know for certain that Adams will never be a good manager as ridiculous as it is arrogant. I've simply no idea and I don't really see how you or anyone else on here can, or is better placed to make that judgment than, say, McNally. I bet a lot of people looked at Lambert halfway through his Livingston career and said he was always going to be rubbish.
That's what I want to know. I can't work out what Adams actually does in this supposedly new system.
Either that, or Adams was lined up as the fall guy for early this season (the success of using Gunn in this manner in mind), but has kept his head below the parapet with early strong results.
I could believe that too.
I could believe that too.
i've said it before and i'll say it again - that bunch of kids is nowhere near as good as some people like to make out. josh murphy is by far the stand out player and i think he'll go on to have a career in the top flight, and adams of course deserves credit for bringing him through the ranks and giving a number of our youngsters a shot at being league footballers, but that doesn't make him a good manager. i think the general consensus was that he'd made some very solid signings. how many of them have come off? jerome certainly i'd say, and for a good price. any others? would you say miquel at £1.5m was a good buy for instance, or lafferty at £4m? ok, he's been a tad unlucky with odjidja-ofoe and i think he looks like he might have something about him, but so he should for £3.5m. yes, he did well to keep hold of some of our more talented players in the summer. why isn't he playing hooper now he's on the verge of being fully fit? why did he play howson out wide on saturday? why did he play hoolahan wide for about 8 games? he's making a huge number of mistakes which would be more acceptable if he learnt from them - there's no evidence to suggest he is and we don't have time for this experiment.
the point that both of you have just made (canary rob and superman) is it it a shambles behind the scene, the players dont belive in the setup and that is reflected on the pitch, its Mcnally who has got it wrong
yes rob, some power has been taken away from the manager, but not in the sense you seem to think. he is still the one running training, he still picks the team, he's still the one organising us. his role is now solely football based. many of the powers that have been taken away from him are administrative and things like scouting our opponents (to give him more time to be coaching by the way). these were all things hughton did himself, which although very admirable, was an awful lot to cover. i have no problem with taking many of those exterior aspects away from the manager and let him concentrate on the football coaching side of things - let others write reports.
interesting you mention lambert because of course he literally did NO coaching. in fact, he wasn't even in norwich most of the week. culverhouse would drill the troops during the week, players would enjoy it, have a bit of fun but work hard. then, on the thursday or friday, lambert would march into colney and the atmosphere changed. the fun went out the door, everybody got down to work to try and impress. they knew who was in charge. it was a good balance and it meant that players were kept on their toes before a match day but weren't drilled into submission (which i suspect hughton did to a degree). we've got no sergeant major in charge and it shows i'm afraid. colney is back in 'safe mode' and everyone is on easy street. there is no fear factor from adams. there is so much more to me wanting this horrible error ended pronto than just a few bad results.
oh and thanks for patronising me
Supers i like you but you post in a matter of fact way that suggests you know more about the goings on at our club than the actual people in charge.
You may have a coaching badge and work in the leisure industry but you don't know what will happen in the next few games any more than the rest of us.
I actually find it patronising when you talk about our players as Lg1 standard at best and flippently rate Adams as no better than Grant.
Last year we were watching our side go months without a win and weeks without a goal we were joint top on Halloween a week later we drop down to 10th.
You told us that Hughton would get us out of the mess Winkel would start banging in goals when most knew we were dead ducks. This season you insist we are top playing like Real Madrid every game or the idiots in charge all deserve to go on the strength of our premier league squad, most of which were the very same that were so poor last year.
You are entitled to your opinion but it's annoying that certain posters only come on here when we lose and ram their negativitity down our necks.
If we don't go up this year it will be a dissapointment but we have no divine right to do so and to suggest that we will be put back 8 to 10 years after an incredible previous 5 on and off the field on the strength of an away loss to one of the biggest clubs in this league is pathetic. Even taking a swipe at tactically inept Pearce one of England's finest servants with experience managing some of the biggest teams in our country.
People demanding that Delia sell us at this stage is also massively disrespectful seeing as she worked miracles by even keeping us afloat .
The word i am asking for is perspective unless you want to be another pantomime club like Leeds.
sorry, when did i say this exactly? i think i said that i could see grabban dropping down a division at some point, like simeon jackson did but other than that, we have far more players with premier league potential than league one - which makes this all the more frustrating.
the other bit in bold is also made up - i never said it at all. why make it up? i said our club and others have been put back years because of bad calls. i never ever said this will happen now. i also never called for delia to sell up. why do people constantly pluck these things from thin air and suggest i said them?
if you don't like what i post, stick me on ignore. my opinion on everything i've seen is that adams is peter grant mkII. he has a similar background in the game, his coaching style is very similar, and he also seems unable to read a game either before (setting us up correctly) or during. have we started a game well yet this season? why should i back something that i see as fundamentally ruining our football club? this isn't the same as the hughton scenario. that was never clear cut. his removal was as much based on fans annoyance at the nature of the football as anything else. results were bad in the end and therefore he deserved to go (i said he should have left after the fulham home game on boxing day if you remember - everyone seems to have forgotten that!) but once he was given january i said he should see the season out. but that's by the by - he left (correctly). i just cannot believe we've compounded our relegation by appointing adams.
ps. if you think stuart pearce is a good manager because he was a great servant for england then we have a problem.
Supers if you started one of your rants with i personally believe Adams is out of his depth or i don't think our youth players are that great then i would have no problem but unfortunately your views are worded as statements.
I don't think any less of you but it gets peoples backs up.
I don't think any less of you but it gets peoples backs up.
its up to you how you interpret what i say and if that's how you interpret it, fair enough. but i write what comes to me, however it comes.
like i say, if you don't like me spilling my concerns, ignore me or argue against me rather than get annoyed at how i phrase things.
like i say, if you don't like me spilling my concerns, ignore me or argue against me rather than get annoyed at how i phrase things.
There you go again, Pearce and Forest may well go on a massive run and get promoted this season we simply don't know.
I would not dream of using the ignore option that would be ignorant also i accept your knowledge of our set up is greater than mine but you must accept that players managers and teams go through peaks and dips and stating a player or manager will never achieve anything is your opinion . I could ask you to predict the top 3 this season and mine would probably be different but until the season actually concludes neither of us is correct.
At least these boards are more interesting when we lose .
All the winning and agreeing with each other was becoming dull.
