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So where next for Tom (legend in his own bedroom) Ince? Has done himself no favours with his Whicker like travelling to find a new club.
Is he a disruptive element in the changing room?
Why can't he get the club he thinks he deserves to show his 'skills' on the field?
Is he being advised by Tan or Ince senior?
 
snlk/poksnbn said:
I tried getting this article back on track but here we go again.

In my mind we now have the most vindictive, destructive, divisive, deluded owner the club has ever know. He has no respect for the fan base and simply goads them at every opportunity and left us more divided than I can ever remember. Like it or not Malky reigned throughout the most successful period of football for fifty years which makes him one of the greatest managers the club has ever had. Another rant over.
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Whiffle - now you're being pedantic. Of course Tan effectively "sanctioned" the spend on Corny because he provided the cash for his manager and head of recruitment. That in no way means he had any input as to the suitabilty of the player.
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I'm not being pedantic.....my point is absolutely crucial. The important word is 'overspent'......If by overspending Tan means M & M paid too much for 'certain' players then he is probably correct, and M & M were guilty of poor judgement and nothing more. However Tan is implying that by overspending M & M actually spent more money than he was authorised to do, which suggests something more i.e. underhand or even illegal. If Tan is implying this, then its his own fault, because he had ultimate control over the amount spent.

In other words if M & M spent the allocated amount of money on players who weren't worth that amount then yes they are at fault (though of poor judgement & nothing else).

If however they spent more money than was allocated, then Tan has only himself to blame.
 
I think you'll find he has Moody, MM and Lim to blame.

Yes, he gave too much power/authority to the wrong people, that is where you can blame Tan. Buying an absolute load of **** for a huge price tag is where you blame MM and Moody (the biggest crime imo as it's the legacy we're stuck with). Thank **** for QPR and Medel having a big world cup because we looked like we were about to suffer huge losses on both of those 2 as well as Corny. Without the WC performances I think we'd have struggled to get half of the Medel money back.

Finally I think Lim has taken the blame internally for the overspend.
 
Whiffle - nobody is suggesting that Tan is blameless in all this - certainly not me whatever you read into my comments.

Tan's apparent (now proven) lack of knowledge of how things work in contractual football dealings came home to roost with the "overspend" comments, but I clearly recall Malky saying in an interview at one time that we hadn't overspent at all, and we'd actually underspent - how do you reconcile that statement?

It can only stem from a lack of understanding between Tan and Mackay/Moody as to what a "budget" means. It seems Tan's misunderstanding was that he believed he was providing a finite figure to acquire players on the basis of their purchase price. Mackay/Moody on the other hand spent that money, but in fact actually committed far more when you add in signing on fees, agent's fees and contractual player wage obligations for the year.

There is certainly a good element of truth in that Tan was a master of his own downfall in the overspend through his own naivity, but that doesn't deflect from the issue that Malky made some dreadful decisions on the footballing front which the Corny episode epitomises. The "non-financial" playing issues still remain like ignoring Noone for months, buying and playing Odemwingie as a lone striker, and blanking Brayford - they rank as very poor management.

I'm sure the "hair-splitting" will carry on by most on here to suit their point of view until Tan pisses off out of our lives. That day will come, but I can't see how at the moment. Until then, we're stuck with an arrogant oligarch exercising total control over our club who will only further divide the fan base for the worse.
 
He clearly likes getting his "off the wall" views into the media. Probably thinks that publicity of any kind is good.

What he fails to appreciate is that the club relies upon and needs its fans and by continually dropping his little gems he is alienating us and doing more harm than good.

I guess there is no one in the club brave enough to stand up and tell him. Its difficult talking when you have your tongue stuck up the owner's fundamental orifice.
 
instead of thinking of passionate fans and a proud club, fans when they think about cardiff now think of an oddball owner, and a petty little squabble over the shirt and badge.

it got our name out there, but in no way did the club benefit. newcastle got some publicity when they changed their stadium name to the sports direct arena, but thats not a positive. we were held up as a club that symbolises all that is wrong with foreign owners and modern day football, only someone like tan could be so deluded to think in terms of 'any publicity is good publicity'.

tan knows he's lost the backing of 90% of the fans, out of those 10% i'd say half support him and the other half only care about the football side, which is fair enough. he doesn't really care what the fans think any more because he knows there is no real way to win us back which doesn't involve backtracking over the rebrand.

he'll suit the MLS more as if he rebranded an MLS team life would move on quickly. they don't care so much for history and tradition as there is no tradition in the MLS.
 
In fairness the statement is true our profile has been raised, whether that's a good thing is a totally separate point.

I think Tan struggles with the fact he's not popular with the fans, his sound bites are attempts at reasoning/justification imo. Again, how flawed those attempts are isn't my point.

He doesn't need an exit strategy, the fans have given him all ammo he needs to cover his own arse for when/if he does jack it in.
 
Swamp said:
instead of thinking of passionate fans and a proud club, fans when they think about cardiff now think of an oddball owner, and a petty little squabble over the shirt and badge.

it got our name out there, but in no way did the club benefit. newcastle got some publicity when they changed their stadium name to the sports direct arena, but thats not a positive. we were held up as a club that symbolises all that is wrong with foreign owners and modern day football, only someone like tan could be so deluded to think in terms of 'any publicity is good publicity'.

tan knows he's lost the backing of 90% of the fans, out of those 10% i'd say half support him and the other half only care about the football side, which is fair enough. he doesn't really care what the fans think any more because he knows there is no real way to win us back which doesn't involve backtracking over the rebrand.

he'll suit the MLS more as if he rebranded an MLS team life would move on quickly. they don't care so much for history and tradition as there is no tradition in the MLS.
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I agree with all of that.

The bit about not being able to win the fans back so not giving a **** is spot on.
 
I know it won't happen while VT is in charge but he could go a long way towards achieving unity by changing the shirts back to blue.

I must admit that from a playing perspective I'm in the camp that doesn't care what colour we play in as it's what the players do on the pitch that counts but I do care about the constant divisions within the club and the damage it is doing both inside and outside.

To revert to blue would unify the fans, probably bring back some (over time) as paying customers, put the focus and support back on the team and bring genuine atmosphere back to the stadium (which is achieved naturally when we go away).

It's a shame that VT can't see that.
 
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