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dazzar86 said:
I see working from home becoming more prevalent, but mainly out of flexibility as an incentive to attract talent, rather than companies scrapping HQs to save money (especially the large ones). Even people on WFH contracts will most likely be expected in the office 'X' number of days in a week.
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It's a tricky dilema we are considering. As we have over 70 employees now and we based in Manchester and paying a fortune for city centre office space. We are probably working at around 80% of the productivity compared to being in the office, so cost wise it is still cheaper working from home than having an office. But that 80 is only going to drop, as you get disconnect from the company vision and the behaviours you want your staff to embrace etc....

I have no doubt some business will take this as an opportunity to minimize those required to come into the office daily, however, I think a number of them will realise there is a huge advantage to having a great office environment and maybe having people come in 2/3 days a week. Which I think is what we will move towards. Whether we keep the same office we have now (Free beer on tap, Coffee barista etc...) or move to something cheaper is another debate entirely.
 
Plum said:
This is interesting, what if people can't work from home? I don't know, house/flat too small, too many people living in it, too noisy, inadequate internet, whatever. Does this give an employer grounds to fire somebody? Could it be seen as some sort of discrimination? Any legal bods on here know of any precedents?
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I think the Government stated that in cases where work 'can' be done from home,then it should be,and companies .If you can't work from home for the above reasons then you'd be asked to attend your workplace
Plum said:
This is interesting, what if people can't work from home? I don't know, house/flat too small, too many people living in it, too noisy, inadequate internet, whatever. Does this give an employer grounds to fire somebody? Could it be seen as some sort of discrimination? Any legal bods on here know of any precedents?
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I don't think it's a case of sacking anybody or discrimination.If both parties can facilitate working from home then it's encouraged by the Government,if either side can't then it's very much as you were.When this all kicked off my youngest Daughter was told she'd be working from home but the company dragged their heals setting it up and asked her travel to work,then Scotrail pulled 80% of the trains and they were crammed in like sardines.She refused to go to work due to her own personal safety being compromised and lo and behold,2 days later,it was set up.
 
Plum said:
Depends on the worker and the home and the extent of the saving I guess. I can't knock a company for managing costs as long as it doesn't unfairly impact employees. When I last worked full-time I would have loved to have worked from home, would have saved me £300-400/month.
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Just watching the Barbados PM explaining that they are considering offering remote working for up to a year on the island.
 
Blaknamberblood said:
I got to be honest here .. the moment they pushed Bruce out the door (or should I say Ehab did) my hackles were up with them (even more so then the whole die when you want and childish fall out with the council) .. add to that the systematic raping of the clubs assets since while allegedly reclaiming the debt ( how much interest are they pocketing) has left me demoralised with all that's gone on since. I have attended games since but I wont get a membership or season ticket or whatever they want to call it until these twats have left. I hate the thought of any of my hard earnt cash going their way .. because it certainly doesnt go to the club at the minute. They are a disease that's ripped through the heart of the club and until they are cut from it I suspect many feel the same way.
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It's that 'tipping' moment again isnt it. Mine was the week after the euphoria of reaching the FA cup final, they announced E1/E2 (hard core no voters) moving to North stand. They made it as difficult as they could with no consultation. The aim was to piss off those pesky hardcore no voters. Protests subsided. as many boycotted at that point. At the time, I thought it was downhill from there (despite another year or two in Premier league)
 
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Ron Burguvdy said:
Also a number of other savings for companies by staff working at home, e.g. Less mileage, heating costs, room, desks, paper, printing, and all the other costs with having people in a building
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Will companies pay worker's personal heating costs in winter if working from home?
 
askewshair said:
It's that 'tipping' moment again isnt it. Mine was the week after the euphoria of reaching the FA cup final, they announced E1/E2 (hard core no voters) moving to North stand. They made it as difficult as they could with no consultation. The aim was to piss off those pesky hardcore no voters. Protests subsided. as many boycotted at that point. At the time, I thought it was downhill from there (despite another year or two in Premier league)
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No they didn’t they were working in consultation with real true die hard fans (arf) Who knew better and pushed this through
New zoo anyone?
The club bent over backwards with what they thought were “real” fans representatives!! Unfortunately they weren’t
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
No they didn’t they were working in consultation with real true die hard fans (arf) Who knew better and pushed this through
New zoo anyone?
The club bent over backwards with what they thought were “real” fans representatives!! Unfortunately they weren’t
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I've raised this many times on here and City Independent. Are you suggesting that their only motivation was to ensure the true die hard's were listened to? Amazing consultation, it never happened before or after.
 
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askewshair said:
Will companies pay worker's personal heating costs in winter if working from home?
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Well they could
They could share the savings between staff couldn’t they.

You can claim tax allowance for working at home though, but I think only if that’s the permanent arrangement (rather than occasionally deciding to)
 
Plum said:
This is interesting, what if people can't work from home? I don't know, house/flat too small, too many people living in it, too noisy, inadequate internet, whatever. Does this give an employer grounds to fire somebody? Could it be seen as some sort of discrimination? Any legal bods on here know of any precedents?
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Offering people the chance to work from home is fine, but requiring them to is a change in contract.
If agreed that’s fine, if not it’s the same as every other contractual change.
Can be changed, but needs negotiation, usually with unions if they are recognised in the workplace.
Struggle to see direct discrimination from your example, as it needs to relate to a protected characteristic, but at a push you might argue it discriminated against age as younger people would be more likely to living with others like parents or in smaller shared flats etc...seems tenuous though and unlikely to fly I don’t think (if you could prove a particular background lived in worse accommodation maybe, but doubt it would carry either)
 
balkan tiger said:
For a worker does the saving on travel time and costs outweigh the extra costs of being at home? or another step in the constant shaving of costs for business?
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If you have a computer and internet I dont see what the added costs of working from home are.
 
petersaxton said:
If you have a computer and internet I dont see what the added costs of working from home are.
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Heating, lighting, a work station, you may need a better internet connection, all the extra drinks and snacks and munchies. Maybe you dropped the kids off at school on your way to work, oh no more need for a company car so you will have to fund your own.
 
balkan tiger said:
Heating, lighting, a work station, you may need a better internet connection, all the extra drinks and snacks and munchies. Maybe you dropped the kids off at school on your way to work, oh no more need for a company car so you will have to fund your own.
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Most of the costs are minimal. If there's no need for a company car if you are working from home then there was never any need for one in the first place. It would have been part of a benefits package so there shouldn't be any change.
It can't be easy if your home was limited to start with. Luckily I was working from home before I moved into my present house and I built an extension with a dedicated office.
 
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