Indeed he has, but that Mclaren has been closer to the Red Bull than the Ferrari, and Alonso is keeping up well with the Mclarens and Webbah.
Broken Lewis.
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Sorry but that crash was Lewis's fault, his mates at the FIA let him off, again!!!!
Absurd decision for penalising Massa. It was Massa's corner. At no point was Lewis ahead so why shouldn't Massa have turned in to take the normal racing line into the corner?
Hamilton is quickly turning into a disgrace. A tiny little bit of pressure from a team-mate and he turns into a complete mess. His interview after the race was pathetic. He's 26 years old not 15. He needs to grow a pair and get on with the job that he is handsomely rewarded for. No other driver's emotional state is so closely examined. Even after three seasons of not winning the title Hamilton is still viewed as some sort of special case, despite being outperformed by Vettel, Alonso (without a shadow of doubt) and now his team-mate.
I'm fed up with seeing that little face on the tv, saying how sorry he is and blah blah blah blah blah. Hamilton should have modelled his private life on James Hunt rather than fixating on the weirdo Ayrton Senna. Pillock of the first order. Anybody know if Jean Alesi's races were affected by some female leaving him?
Hamilton is quickly turning into a disgrace. A tiny little bit of pressure from a team-mate and he turns into a complete mess. His interview after the race was pathetic. He's 26 years old not 15. He needs to grow a pair and get on with the job that he is handsomely rewarded for. No other driver's emotional state is so closely examined. Even after three seasons of not winning the title Hamilton is still viewed as some sort of special case, despite being outperformed by Vettel, Alonso (without a shadow of doubt) and now his team-mate.
I'm fed up with seeing that little face on the tv, saying how sorry he is and blah blah blah blah blah. Hamilton should have modelled his private life on James Hunt rather than fixating on the weirdo Ayrton Senna. Pillock of the first order. Anybody know if Jean Alesi's races were affected by some female leaving him?
Wow You have got PURE HATRED on Lewis are you one of them people that wish he was dead or you just a typical hater
Don't watch F1 then Lewis Hamilton doesn't care what you, me or anyone else here thinks the same with every other driver on the grid.
fanboys v hateboys, no shock there. If Hamilton ****s up I have a pop and get accused of being a hater, however it's pretty clear that Massa either went to sleep or opened the door with the intention of hitting Hamilton when he tried to do what nearly everyone would do in the same situation, if they are racing drivers. Massa is a sly and dirty driver as watching him all season will show and it's pretty clear from the replays he saw Hamilton was there and turned into him, closing the door far too late, that's why Massa got penalised, because HE caused an avoidable accident, not Hamilton. I thought it was a racing incident, although with Massa more to blame, but after watching the replay, and seeing him move his head to watch Hamitlon, it had to be Massa penalty.
Well said, Miggins 
Anyway, Lewis didn't exactly get off scot free (whatever that is). It certainly 'destroyed' his race; Smedley will be proud.
Anyway, Lewis didn't exactly get off scot free (whatever that is). It certainly 'destroyed' his race; Smedley will be proud.
Hamilton should have modelled his private life on James Hunt.
What? - the greatist shagger, piss-artist, and pre-race sickie of all time?
- mind you Berger tried hard to match some of it.
What? - the greatist shagger, piss-artist, and pre-race sickie of all time?
- mind you Berger tried hard to match some of it.
That's a bit harsh, F111CR. I don't wish anyone dead. I wouldn't say I hate Hamilton. Rather I have an intense dislike of him for reasons I have mentioned on a number of occasions.
I don't understand how it even matters if Massa knew exactly where Hamilton was. He was only ever behind Massa. Correct everyone? Was Hamilton ahead of Massa at any point? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Hamilton should have backed out, especially when it's Massa he was attempting to overtake because he should know by now that Massa won't take any crap from the self-important twat.
Will people still be saying that Hamilton is still learning when he's 30 and still driving like a cock?
Someone needs to remind Hamilton that discretion is the better part of valour. This is a lesson that Hamilton seems incapable of learning. I predict that Hamilton will spend his career crashing into everyone while insisting he will never change his driving style.
Broken Lewis?
I am certainly no fan of Lewis Hamilton, although I did think he was a breath of fresh air at McLaren until the trouble started at Monaco in 2007. Now, I'm so worried about the state of his mind that I feel bad about contributing to the negative comments.
Whatever the problems in his personal life, he must find a way of putting that aside on race day. The greatest Formula 1 drivers are known for their focus once the helmet goes on, and if that requires a change of manager or a more serious psychiatric approach, then that's what he needs to do.
Today's incident can't be viewed in isolation. All the did Massa look in his mirrors, did he see Hamilton, did he turn in on purpose, etc, etc, stuff is irrelevent. It's part of a problem that the FIA needs to address because it could endanger others.
I would say to them: OK, guys - if you make contact with each other once more you'll BOTH be excluded from the next race. Talk to each other properly and sort it out.
I am certainly no fan of Lewis Hamilton, although I did think he was a breath of fresh air at McLaren until the trouble started at Monaco in 2007. Now, I'm so worried about the state of his mind that I feel bad about contributing to the negative comments.
Whatever the problems in his personal life, he must find a way of putting that aside on race day. The greatest Formula 1 drivers are known for their focus once the helmet goes on, and if that requires a change of manager or a more serious psychiatric approach, then that's what he needs to do.
Today's incident can't be viewed in isolation. All the did Massa look in his mirrors, did he see Hamilton, did he turn in on purpose, etc, etc, stuff is irrelevent. It's part of a problem that the FIA needs to address because it could endanger others.
I would say to them: OK, guys - if you make contact with each other once more you'll BOTH be excluded from the next race. Talk to each other properly and sort it out.
I'm not getting into the Hammy lover/hater debate, but to me it was a racing incident - no penalty either way!
Massa was ahead.
Massa left enough room for Lewis to make the initial move.
Lewis backed out of the move (which he confirmed in interview)
Massa braked later because of the above point.
At the corner entry Massa rear wheel were level with Lewis's front wheels.
Massa takes a normal corner entry.
Lewis didnt back out enough.
They touch!
The fact is that if Lewis had kept his foot in and not lifted Massa would have had to yield, and also Massa would have struggled to make the corner if he had not turned in - as Brundle stated - where was he supposed to go? Also, if that was an overtaking point then why did Lewis not make a move or keep backing out (at the same corner) with the slower Torro Rosa - because you cant pass there!
So, lewis shouldnt have put his nose cone in (or backed out more) and Massa shouldnt have given him the room in the first place - racing incidient!
Massa was ahead.
Massa left enough room for Lewis to make the initial move.
Lewis backed out of the move (which he confirmed in interview)
Massa braked later because of the above point.
At the corner entry Massa rear wheel were level with Lewis's front wheels.
Massa takes a normal corner entry.
Lewis didnt back out enough.
They touch!
The fact is that if Lewis had kept his foot in and not lifted Massa would have had to yield, and also Massa would have struggled to make the corner if he had not turned in - as Brundle stated - where was he supposed to go? Also, if that was an overtaking point then why did Lewis not make a move or keep backing out (at the same corner) with the slower Torro Rosa - because you cant pass there!
So, lewis shouldnt have put his nose cone in (or backed out more) and Massa shouldnt have given him the room in the first place - racing incidient!
Probably, but the bigger picture needs to be addressed or we'll be having the same debate after every race.
Excellent comment! Points explained very well.
Its a shame the stewards didn't see sense.
Agree 100%, its getting abit boring discussing the same issues in relation to these 2 drivers, its about time they sought it out and get on with racing, because to date there driving as been questionable given the teams they represent and the salaries they recieve! Its hardly a good advert for the sport or general driving behaviour!
I think of all the stewards decessions this was the most clear cut and simple!
It was an awfull decision by the stewards. If you hit someone from behind, it's your fault- always. No exceptions. Massa was ahead, he had the racing line, it's his corner. Hamilton would certainly have been aware of what was about to happen, that being ahead, Massa would make the turn, and ignored those thoughts anyway.
It's no good putting your arm around someone, if you're prepared to punt them all the same. Being a spoiled brat is one thing, there are many of them in the world in all walks of life, but he's beginning to get dangerous now with his attitude that everybody else on the track should simply get out of his way. The last major driver that I remember with that approach was Gilles Villeneuve, and we all know what happened to him.
Someone should sit him down and talk some sense into him ( I believe Hamilton to be an intelligent man, and a caring one, quite unlike Villeneuve) and that someone should be his father.
It's no good putting your arm around someone, if you're prepared to punt them all the same. Being a spoiled brat is one thing, there are many of them in the world in all walks of life, but he's beginning to get dangerous now with his attitude that everybody else on the track should simply get out of his way. The last major driver that I remember with that approach was Gilles Villeneuve, and we all know what happened to him.
Someone should sit him down and talk some sense into him ( I believe Hamilton to be an intelligent man, and a caring one, quite unlike Villeneuve) and that someone should be his father.
A focused Hamilton would not have put his car there.
A focused Massa would not have closed the space between him and the corner.
Both drivers are as bad as each other, they need to sort them selves out for 2012, Massa especially because of his race seat is in danger.
I will tell you something now Hamilton and Massa (Ferrari fans).
These drivers are acting like children having a squabble on the playground, one might have a championship - the other may drive for Ferrari....
There are much more better (more worthy) drivers waiting for a race seat and at the moment they are not pushing the boundaries of their cars, instead they are filling the newspapers and media with childish trivial ****e that I have got bored of reading here and there.
A focused Massa would not have closed the space between him and the corner.
Both drivers are as bad as each other, they need to sort them selves out for 2012, Massa especially because of his race seat is in danger.
I will tell you something now Hamilton and Massa (Ferrari fans).
These drivers are acting like children having a squabble on the playground, one might have a championship - the other may drive for Ferrari....
There are much more better (more worthy) drivers waiting for a race seat and at the moment they are not pushing the boundaries of their cars, instead they are filling the newspapers and media with childish trivial ****e that I have got bored of reading here and there.
Got to admit Manny has hit the nail on the head on the last part of this post. Other people are starting to get bored of it now and it's almost expectant of them to collide to a point that they both don't deserve the seats they have.