Off Topic BREXIT

[Tobes]

So if the Governmwnt don't have to act on the referendum result how can the EU act on it? Make your mind up.

The leader of the Ruling Party & he should do it once the best exit strategy has been agreed.

If you don't believe the best strategy shouldn't & wouldn't be best agreed between cross Party talks then your head's buried deeper than you think.

You can always carry on not worrying about it until Article 50 has been invoked. Obviously to carry on not worrying about it, you'd have to stop worrying about it.

You're avoiding the simple point I was making.

The EU have told us to get in with it, no they can't force a timetable but they can continue to beat that drum.

Cameron said we'd leave the day after.....he's volleyed the can into October and has no intention of pressing the button.

If you think that there's going to be some cross party acceptance of responsibility for pressing the button, then you've got rocks in your head. The other parties will leave this sitting firmly and squarely at the feet of the Tories. The Tories who granted the vote, the PM who's since said **** it, and done one, leaving who exactly to do the deed?

 

[Obadiah]

So if the Governmwnt don't have to act on the referendum result how can the EU act on it? Make your mind up.

The leader of the Ruling Party & he should do it once the best exit strategy has been agreed.

If you don't believe the best strategy shouldn't & wouldn't be best agreed between cross Party talks then your head's buried deeper than you think.

You can always carry on not worrying about it until Article 50 has been invoked. Obviously to carry on not worrying about it, you'd have to stop worrying about it.

I don't often agree with Tobes but on this he is right.

If parliament ignore the referendum we remain a member of the EU and there's nothing Brussels can do about it.

The question is will the next leader of the Tory Party invoke Article 50, call a second referendum, call a general election to put it further into the long grass or ignore the referendum altogether. I've said what I think. The political establishment is looking at ways to avoid invoking Article 50. Cameron's given them time to think how that can be achieved.

 

[modnrock]

We are being set up to get sh..f.d!

 

[Obadiah]

You're avoiding the simple point I was making.

The EU have told us to get in with it, no they can't force a timetable but they can continue to beat that drum.

Cameron said we'd leave the day after.....he's volleyed the can into October and has no intention of pressing the button.

If you think that there's going to be some cross party acceptance of responsibility for pressing the button, then you've got rocks in your head. The other parties will leave this sitting firmly and squarely at the feet of the Tories. The Tories who granted the vote, the PM who's since said **** it, and done one, leaving who exactly to do the deed?

I think you're wrong on this. Despite what Benn said today, New Labour will be looking to put the national interest first, they and the political establishment think that is remaining in the EU. The problem they have is how that can be achieved, but they will give every assistance to achieve that.

Corbyn will be saying the British people have voted and we have to respect that. In my opinion that is why we are seeing the current revolt in the shadow cabinet.

 

[Old Tige]

We are being set up to get sh..f.d!

That's one thing we can always be sure of.

 

[modnrock]

Hope you all ticked the lubed box.....

 

[Tobes]

I think you're wrong on this. Despite what Benn said today, New Labour will be looking to put the national interest first, they and the political establishment think that is remaining in the EU. The problem they have is how that can be achieved, but they will give every assistance to achieve that.

Corbyn will be saying the British people have voted and we have to respect that. In my opinion that is why we are seeing the current revolt in the shadow cabinet.

Wrong on which bit mate?

Corbyn is a dead duck, his leadership has been virtually none existent and he's unelectable imo.

Both parties will be minus a leader shortly, and then what?

The Tories face having an unelected PM left with the task of pressing the button on article 50, and Labour will have to completely reposition itself, as its lost its way completely in the last 5 years. I see the outcome as being a GE.

 

[Charon]

17 million voted out - 16 million voted stay - 3 million have voted for a rerun - of those many wont have been allowed to vote anyway - some people need to get a grip - its like Sheffield Wednesday supporters voting for a rematch and suggesting 6000 votes gives them a mandate

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Very impressed with andrew Percy the Tory MP on Sunday politics local bit.
Could have a big future.

 

[Obadiah]

Wrong on which bit mate?

Corbyn is a dead duck, his leadership has been virtually none existent and he's unelectable imo.

Both parties will be minus a leader shortly, and then what?

The Tories face having an unelected PM left with the task of pressing the button on article 50, and Labour will have to completely reposition itself, as its lost its way completely in the last 5 years. I see the outcome as being a GE.

The bit about cross party agreement.

I think Corbyn has been very effective as leader, he forced the Tories into at least 3 major u-turns. He is closer to the views of Labour voters than any other potential leader, especially on Europe. He would insist the Tories respect the vote and invoke Article 50.

There is now more likely to be cross party agreement on how to ignore the result and avoid leaving the EU. They just haven't come up with a way to sell that to us yet. It will come though, in my opinion.

 

[Barchullona]

That would be what is know as "direct legislation". Not my personal cup of tea due to the element of dictatorship of the majority we can see in our own current example. But some prefer it and it does do away with an abusive and corrupt elite leadership.

So, the dictatorship of the minority is preferable?

 

[Tobes]

The bit about cross party agreement.

I think Corbyn has been very effective as leader, he forced the Tories into at least 3 major u-turns. He is closer to the views of Labour voters than any other potential leader, especially on Europe. He would insist the Tories respect the vote and invoke Article 50.

There is now more likely to be cross party agreement on how to ignore the result and avoid leaving the EU. They just haven't come up with a way to sell that to us yet. It will come though, in my opinion.

You could be right there, we'll see how it pans out. My gut still thinks it'll go to a GE, but we'll see.

I don't agree on Corbyn, I think his contribution during the referendum campaign was extremely poor. He's viewed as weak by the electorate and is thus unelectable. Labour realise this and I think his days are numbered.

 

[Barchullona]

The bit about cross party agreement.

I think Corbyn has been very effective as leader, he forced the Tories into at least 3 major u-turns. He is closer to the views of Labour voters than any other potential leader, especially on Europe. He would insist the Tories respect the vote and invoke Article 50.

There is now more likely to be cross party agreement on how to ignore the result and avoid leaving the EU. They just haven't come up with a way to sell that to us yet. It will come though, in my opinion.

Does that include all those Labour voters, described as thick, racist, xenophobic etc by the Remain lot, who voted for out in many Labour areas including Hull? He doesn't seem to have been too close to their views on Europe.

 

[originalminority]

Wrong on which bit mate?

Corbyn is a dead duck, his leadership has been virtually none existent and he's unelectable imo.

Both parties will be minus a leader shortly, and then what?

The Tories face having an unelected PM left with the task of pressing the button on article 50, and Labour will have to completely reposition itself, as its lost its way completely in the last 5 years. I see the outcome as being a GE.

Fractured Tory and Labour parties are another dividend of Brexit, the whole 2 party system has failed and needs bringing down.

 

[Old Tige]

So, the dictatorship of the minority is preferable?

Please stop the silly questions and get better informed before you try to join in adult conversations.

Of course it's not. No dictatorship is acceptable imo.

 

[Barchullona]

Please stop the silly questions and get better informed before you try to join in adult conversations.

Of course it's not. No dictatorship is acceptable imo.

So if the views of the majority are to be over ruled how else can you do it except in a dictatorship?

To engage in adult conversations would need another adult. You appear to be naive, immature and living in a dream world,

 

[petersaxton]

I was in Europe until last night and it wouldn't allow me to complete the petition signing, presumably because my IP was showing as not in the UK.

It takes your postcode and e-mail address and so therefore won't allow multiple signings at the rate you wish to intimate st least.

The irony of that petition is that it was started pre the vote by a Leave campaigner anticipating defeat.

there's plenty of programs available that would fool websites into thinking you are in the UK.
you can use other post codes and use different email addresses. I have an account with unlimited email addresses.

 

[Old Tige]

So if the views of the majority are to be over ruled how else can you do it except in a dictatorship?

Consensus?

One thing which is common to both sides in this argument is a total lack of trust or belief in our current system.

But like a battered wife, they seem unable to consider ditching their abusive partner. A monster who has so diminished them as an individual and conditioned them into dependency that they no longer have the self belief or initiative to even consider escape.

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

Fractured Tory and Labour parties are another dividend of Brexit, the whole 2 party system has failed and needs bringing down.

The Labour party MP's don't seem to represent the views of the people who voted for them and for Corbyn, think they are going to implode just like the Tories. Scary times, vacuums are often filled by extremes of right or left which is no good either way.

 

[petersaxton]

I'll start thinking about that when whichever Tory presses the button and invokes article 50.

Cameron has kicked it into the long grass and resigned so it's not going to be him.

Why the delay? Didn't Cameron say that we'd invoke it the day after a leave vote? Sounds like he's decided he's not putting his name to it and advocated all responsibility.

Is bumbling Boris going to be the man to do it? A pro Remain believer until the political opportunity to position himself as the PM in waiting presented itself to him when Cameron gave his party the option of campaigning against him. Bumbling Boris saw the opportunity to go up against his old public school adversary, but unfortunately for him - Leave won. He looked washed out yesterday, as the reality of that dawned.

Will he take the role and be the man to push the button? It'd be political suicide and he knows it.

"Bumbling Boris" - why do you call him that? It sounds more like the comment of a child.