Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...me-finish-revolution-says-PETER-HITCHENS.html
Great article, particularly this bit

Thursday’s vote shows that the House of Commons is hopelessly unrepresentative. The concerns and hopes of those who voted to leave the EU – 51.9 per cent of the highest poll since 1992 – are reliably supported by fewer than a quarter of MPs, if that. Ludicrously, neither of the big parties agrees with a proven majority of the electorate – and neither shows any sign of changing its policies as a result.

If we do nothing about this scandal, for it is a scandal, then how can we be sure we will get out of the EU at all? The elite is rallying and whimpering that the minority must be treated ‘with respect’– more than they would have done had they won.

Parliament is pro-EU. The Civil Service is pro-EU, the judiciary is pro-EU, the BBC is pro-EU and is now returning to its old bad habits after an admittedly creditable attempt at balance. Its 6am radio news bulletin on Friday said, falsely and dangerously, that the pound had ‘collapsed’ following the result and there will be a lot more of this foolish panic-mongering in days to come.

We have had only half a revolution. If we do not now complete it, we will have missed an unequalled opportunity to reclaim what is and always was ours.
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Hmmm wonder why that is. Good luck finding 651 sensible, intelligent MPs who agree leaving the EU is a good thing.
 
Obadiah said:
I don't worry about it. You have an interesting view on how politics works. This is only round one.

The EU functionary demands we invoke Article 50 immediately yet the true power behind the EU says, lets wait there's no rush, no need to be vindictive.

Parliament has to decide on whether to debate the petition on whether to have a second referendum. Corbyn would, I suspect, instruct the Labour Party to vote against it. Hilary Benn and the rest of the New Labour MPs would recommend a vote for it.
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They can demand what they want. We just have to do what is sensible.
The petition wont be debated in the chamber of the House. It will be debated, if sensible, in a meeting room. I don't think the committee will consider a debate sensible as the issue has been the subject of an act of parliament and referendum.
https://petition.parliament.uk/help
http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2015-16/europeanunionreferendum.html
 
C'mon ref said:
Ben, all through my voting life I have had to endure the majority going against what I had voted for, that's how it works, in no way did I want Margaret Thatcher's government but we got 3 terms of her. Likewise Tony Blair, I didn't like him and still don't like him, but that was the will of the people so you simply got on with it. And so to the current day, I feel that you are being a bit dramatic and understandably upset that your chosen voting choice has been rejected, as mine was on many occasions. But it wasn't the end of the world, and my goodness Thatcher did some awful things to the North of England, you move on and adapt, even local council elections went against me (I don't bet either) so all this hoo ha will go on for a while yet and at the moment the TV is full of our Brexit vote. But I don't go with some of the weasel words of some of the European leaders about how 'sad' or 'surprised' they are at our vote, they refused any concessions that would alter their vision of a united Europe, blocking our attempts at any reform, which were sorely needed. And I would hazard a guess that any similar calls for referendums in other countries will be blamed on us for unstablising the EU with our vote. As I have already said on other posts, interesting times.
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Ben didnt write that ref, he copied some tits writing to take the piss.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...me-finish-revolution-says-PETER-HITCHENS.html
Great article, particularly this bit

Thursday’s vote shows that the House of Commons is hopelessly unrepresentative. The concerns and hopes of those who voted to leave the EU – 51.9 per cent of the highest poll since 1992 – are reliably supported by fewer than a quarter of MPs, if that. Ludicrously, neither of the big parties agrees with a proven majority of the electorate – and neither shows any sign of changing its policies as a result.

If we do nothing about this scandal, for it is a scandal, then how can we be sure we will get out of the EU at all? The elite is rallying and whimpering that the minority must be treated ‘with respect’– more than they would have done had they won.

Parliament is pro-EU. The Civil Service is pro-EU, the judiciary is pro-EU, the BBC is pro-EU and is now returning to its old bad habits after an admittedly creditable attempt at balance. Its 6am radio news bulletin on Friday said, falsely and dangerously, that the pound had ‘collapsed’ following the result and there will be a lot more of this foolish panic-mongering in days to come.

We have had only half a revolution. If we do not now complete it, we will have missed an unequalled opportunity to reclaim what is and always was ours.
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The referendum - yes another one! - on electoral reform decided to stick with the status quo. I didn't agree with the decision - and I certainly didn't rant and rave about the result - but I don't think there will be any changes for a long time.
 
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trouserpress said:
Hmmm wonder why that is. Good luck finding 651 sensible, intelligent MPs who agree leaving the EU is a good thing.
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Are the MP's going to listen to the people? they better had or you will get a shift to the right.
The backstabbers have ganged up on Corbyn fine. But none of them will win an election either.

Frank Field should stand for Leader. I think he would then win an election if the Tories try and fudge their leadership battle. Then you would get the Labour Mp's having to toe the line. Do what your voters and your leader want or get out.
 
TIGERSCAVE said:
Which shows how ridiculous our system is when there are only 435 representatives in the whole of the United States, let alone our FPP voting system.
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Is less better?
Is there electoral college system better?
I agree with you about FPP but the referendum on the voting system put paid to any changes on that.
 
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Obadiah said:
Big business lost on Thursday. They don't like losing, especially at the hands of the great unwashed. Nobody tells them how to conduct their business. They will do everything in their power to stop the UK invoking Article 50.

Name me one senior Tory leaver that is demanding Cameron sends the letter now. The Tory Party backers will be asking, or demanding, in private how Johnson and Gove will sort out the mess they have created.

The propaganda has already started, we need a second referendum, the people who voted leave are uneducated racists, there's no rush to invoke Article 50, etc.

Of all the party leaders which one of them do you think would be most sincere in saying we must respect the views of the electorate and invoke Article 50? For me there is only one, Jeremy Corbyn.
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The person who's been least sincere in this whole process is Corbyn, he support Remain when he really thinks the EU's ****, he lost an enormous amount of credibility. It's why half his cabinet have just resigned.
 
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petersaxton said:
Is less better?
Is there electoral college system better?
I agree with you about FPP but the referendum on the voting system put paid to any changes on that.
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The referendum only gave us two choice Peter. If the government could have they would have added 'don't know' to the ballot paper. I do personally think less is better, there are too many wannabes in Parliament whose constituency work is not even handled by them.
 
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petersaxton said:
Yes, where I live in London there's a lot of building work going on. It's amazing how increasing the number and quality of properties increases prices on the older properties as well because the new properties encourage better shops and make the places more trendy.
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Stratford seemed like one big building site Peter, why Stratford what's the significance?
 
originallambrettaman said:
The person who's been least sincere in this whole process is Corbyn, he support Remain when he really thinks the EU's ****, he lost an enormous amount of credibility. It's why half his cabinet have just resigned.
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He hasn't been very convincing since becoming leader, another Kinnock in the making.
 
petersaxton said:
They can demand what they want. We just have to do what is sensible.
The petition wont be debated in the chamber of the House. It will be debated, if sensible, in a meeting room. I don't think the committee will consider a debate sensible as the issue has been the subject of an act of parliament and referendum.
https://petition.parliament.uk/help
http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2015-16/europeanunionreferendum.html
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Thursday was an historic day that will have major ramifications throughout the world. You think our MPs will not take any opportunity to try and reverse the decision? You have more faith in them than I do. They lost, they will now try and reverse the decision. Cameron has given them time to prepare for that by resigning. If he'd remained Prime Minister he'd have had no excuse not to invoke Article 50 because he'd already said he'd do it if the UK didn't get a deal.

Benn's decision to force the issue of Corbyn's leadership means Labour is in not fit state to demand the referendum vote is implemented.
 
originallambrettaman said:
The person who's been least sincere in this whole process is Corbyn, he support Remain when he really thinks the EU's ****, he lost an enormous amount of credibility. It's why half his cabinet have just resigned.
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If Labour got rid of Corbyn, they'd be a shoe in for the next Election or at least give it a good go.

Sadly he seems determined to hang on to power. This means we're stuck with the Tories for some time.

Camerons thrown a strop, and gone back on his declaration he'd carry on and would invoke Article 50 immediatly. Osbourne has not surfaced at all. The 2 most powerful people in the UK. It's shameful.

I can't understand how Labour managed to elect the worst leader ever. He's a professional protester and thorn in the side of the establishment. He is not, and was never, leader material.

Someone earlier said you vote for your local MP, not the leader of the party and a potential PM, and that is how I've always voted, who I think is best for local issues. I will not vote for any Labour candidate while Corbyns at the helm.
 
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originallambrettaman said:
The person who's been least sincere in this whole process is Corbyn, he support Remain when he really thinks the EU's ****, he lost an enormous amount of credibility. It's why half his cabinet have just resigned.
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They're just using the result to blame him. Better campaigning by him would have made no difference to the result. Again its just political opportunism. That Benns a ****er. His Dad will be spinning in his grave.
These ****s are going to try and tell us whats best for us. GTF
 
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TIGERSCAVE said:
Are we to assume these 3 million are those residing in London and are students with **** all better to do apart from getting a degree in something that they can never use in the working environment..?
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17 million voted to leave - 3 million want the vote repeated - no doubt that includes many not even entitled to vote as well as the losers who did - just because you don't like the result doesn't mean it has to be done again - move on
 
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