I love your analysis. I see you dont seem to be hindered by the thought process - old joke but it has it's uses.
Off Topic BREXIT
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Brilliant idea ; let those 3 million who want another referendum go live in France. They'll be happy they are back in the EU and it'll free up 3 million jobs. Problem solved.
exactly - I was going to reply to that post but thought better of it - arguing with children is not worth it - better ignore them when they have a toddler tantrum - they soon shut up
correct and that's not going to change any time soon - personally I think Theresa May will feature prominently in the new government
One minute they are saying that houses are too expensive and they can't afford to buy a house.
Next they are complaining that house prices will fall.
I have a couple of houses and prices rise and fall. I just get on with my life and dont let it worry me.
Big business lost on Thursday. They don't like losing, especially at the hands of the great unwashed. Nobody tells them how to conduct their business. They will do everything in their power to stop the UK invoking Article 50.
Name me one senior Tory leaver that is demanding Cameron sends the letter now. The Tory Party backers will be asking, or demanding, in private how Johnson and Gove will sort out the mess they have created.
The propaganda has already started, we need a second referendum, the people who voted leave are uneducated racists, there's no rush to invoke Article 50, etc.
Of all the party leaders which one of them do you think would be most sincere in saying we must respect the views of the electorate and invoke Article 50? For me there is only one, Jeremy Corbyn.
Political **** houses the lot of them.
This is an opportunity yet they want to keep doing the same old thing. Nothing.
"Theresa May, why did you want to support Remain and how does that sit with wanting a position in government?"
Theresa May: "I don't think about issues too much I just follow the Prime Minister of the day."
Did you actually read it? it says we've had democracy, the policies that people are objecting to are ones we've voted for. I agree with every single word of it. What's illogical about it?
It would be madness to invoke Article 50 without a new Prime Minister. Don't worry about it. It will happen when it suits the UK as a whole - not the EU or a collection of business leaders.
I'm afraid I take issue with this argument as regards to bricklayers, they were not all like the cheery Auf Wiedersehen lot portrayed on TV, indeed bricklayers could earn some great money, London and the likes but when winter came it was all evened out over the year to be nothing extraordinary in terms of pay for the slog they had to endure. Plumbers and electricians were different as they could work indoors, but bricklayers were open to the elements so rain, snow, ice, even heavy frosts meant 'sorry lads no work today'. And that meant them going home with no pay as many were changing over to self employment instead of 'on the books', at one time bricklayers were also plasterers, tilers (wall and floor not roof tilers) so had inside work, as long as the temperatures didn't go too low, it was plus 2 and falling then worked stopped.
Many brickies went to work in Germany but the contractors were actually Dutch and I had a few friends who having done the work were then ripped off as the agents had disappeared with the wages so our lads were broke and in a foreign country, literally up the creek without a paddle. I myself never fancied working abroad as much as I never fancied going self employed despite 'poachers' trying to get us to sign contracts to work where we could double, or even treble, our level of pay at the time. But even now, I was in London last week, the level of building there is unbelievable to what is going on in Hull so yet again I suspect that the South is where the money is yet again, I'm glad that I do not have to chip ice off a wall before I could continue to build on it any more, and yes we had covered the wall with hessian sacking before anyone says.
Bad loser? Grow up. This isn't a game you know. The people have spoken and there is no choice but to pull out of Europe, but if people think that is going to cure the country's ills I think they are in for a shock.
Yes, I read it. He didn't appear to agree with a lot of policies proposed by democratically elected UK governments. Are you saying he approved of them? To me it appeared to be the rant of somebody not getting what he wants and not being able to man up and get on with life.
Yes, where I live in London there's a lot of building work going on. It's amazing how increasing the number and quality of properties increases prices on the older properties as well because the new properties encourage better shops and make the places more trendy.
I don't worry about it. You have an interesting view on how politics works. This is only round one.
The EU functionary demands we invoke Article 50 immediately yet the true power behind the EU says, lets wait there's no rush, no need to be vindictive.
Parliament has to decide on whether to debate the petition on whether to have a second referendum. Corbyn would, I suspect, instruct the Labour Party to vote against it. Hilary Benn and the rest of the New Labour MPs would recommend a vote for it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...me-finish-revolution-says-PETER-HITCHENS.html
Great article, particularly this bit
Thursday’s vote shows that the House of Commons is hopelessly unrepresentative. The concerns and hopes of those who voted to leave the EU – 51.9 per cent of the highest poll since 1992 – are reliably supported by fewer than a quarter of MPs, if that. Ludicrously, neither of the big parties agrees with a proven majority of the electorate – and neither shows any sign of changing its policies as a result.
If we do nothing about this scandal, for it is a scandal, then how can we be sure we will get out of the EU at all? The elite is rallying and whimpering that the minority must be treated ‘with respect’– more than they would have done had they won.
Parliament is pro-EU. The Civil Service is pro-EU, the judiciary is pro-EU, the BBC is pro-EU and is now returning to its old bad habits after an admittedly creditable attempt at balance. Its 6am radio news bulletin on Friday said, falsely and dangerously, that the pound had ‘collapsed’ following the result and there will be a lot more of this foolish panic-mongering in days to come.
We have had only half a revolution. If we do not now complete it, we will have missed an unequalled opportunity to reclaim what is and always was ours.
Great article, particularly this bit
Thursday’s vote shows that the House of Commons is hopelessly unrepresentative. The concerns and hopes of those who voted to leave the EU – 51.9 per cent of the highest poll since 1992 – are reliably supported by fewer than a quarter of MPs, if that. Ludicrously, neither of the big parties agrees with a proven majority of the electorate – and neither shows any sign of changing its policies as a result.
If we do nothing about this scandal, for it is a scandal, then how can we be sure we will get out of the EU at all? The elite is rallying and whimpering that the minority must be treated ‘with respect’– more than they would have done had they won.
Parliament is pro-EU. The Civil Service is pro-EU, the judiciary is pro-EU, the BBC is pro-EU and is now returning to its old bad habits after an admittedly creditable attempt at balance. Its 6am radio news bulletin on Friday said, falsely and dangerously, that the pound had ‘collapsed’ following the result and there will be a lot more of this foolish panic-mongering in days to come.
We have had only half a revolution. If we do not now complete it, we will have missed an unequalled opportunity to reclaim what is and always was ours.
I don't think anybody thinks that pulling out of the EU - not Europe - is going to "cure the country's ills". It will just give us a chance to make our own decisions about what we are going to do in the future.
Ben, all through my voting life I have had to endure the majority going against what I had voted for, that's how it works, in no way did I want Margaret Thatcher's government but we got 3 terms of her. Likewise Tony Blair, I didn't like him and still don't like him, but that was the will of the people so you simply got on with it. And so to the current day, I feel that you are being a bit dramatic and understandably upset that your chosen voting choice has been rejected, as mine was on many occasions. But it wasn't the end of the world, and my goodness Thatcher did some awful things to the North of England, you move on and adapt, even local council elections went against me (I don't bet either) so all this hoo ha will go on for a while yet and at the moment the TV is full of our Brexit vote. But I don't go with some of the weasel words of some of the European leaders about how 'sad' or 'surprised' they are at our vote, they refused any concessions that would alter their vision of a united Europe, blocking our attempts at any reform, which were sorely needed. And I would hazard a guess that any similar calls for referendums in other countries will be blamed on us for unstablising the EU with our vote. As I have already said on other posts, interesting times.
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