Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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petersaxton said:
One thing I do know is that there's a lot of people who don't like the democratic process and are extremely bad losers.
The UK has voted to leave the EU and that is what will happen - tantrums or no tantrums.
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Which would have happened either way
 
City Man said:
This was always going to be about who controls Britain and what happens in Britain. At least we can now defenestrate any leader/party who doesn't cut the mustard.
The delight at the dismay of the smug Remain whingers will recede, and the focus will shift to how we can best move forward now the shackles are off and everyone adjusts to the new landscape.
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And yet from my perspective, with regards to who controls Britain - nothing has changed. We've always had the ability to vote out our government if we don't like them. What happens in Britain - who has been telling us what to do? If you make a vacuum cleaner and want to sell it in the EU, it will still have to have a motor of less than 1700W. However, we've now lost our seat at the table to set the rules in the first place.

I honestly don't see what there is to celebrate on that score, and nothing on that thread has convinced me so far with any concrete examples to show how we're going to be better off.
 
petersaxton said:
On the contrary, I am sure the Germans who didn't vote for the Nazi Party were even more in favour of democracy after 1933!
The Nazi Party never had a majority. They came to power by undemocratic means.
"On 23 March, the parliament passed the Enabling Act of 1933, which gave the cabinet the right to enact laws without the consent of parliament. In effect, this gave Hitler dictatorial powers. Now possessing virtually absolute power, the Nazis established totalitarian control; they abolished labour unions and other political parties and imprisoned their political opponents, first at wilde Lager, improvised camps, then in concentration camps. Nazi Germany had been established, yet the Reichswehr remained impartial: Nazi power over Germany remained virtual, not absolute.
During June and July 1933 all competing parties were either outlawed or dissolved themselves. Subsequently, the Law against the founding of new parties of 14 July 1933 legally established the Nazi Party's monopoly."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Rise_to_power:_1925.E2.80.931933
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Erme that was due to the reichstag fire. There was overwhelming pressure to make hitler chancellor. They were the largest party in Germany by far. Who voted for them?
 
MadridTiger said:
The best interests of the country. Jesús. The best interest of the country is to remain part of a strong union and try to reform not seperate oursekves which will surely divide us and Scotland causing more uncertainty. We may get our sovereignty but we will by no means be better off.
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Us? You are in Spain. They will be rather worried in Madrid that Scotland breaking away will give them ideas in Catalonia and the Basque Country.
 
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petersaxton said:
You've made that up haven't you?
None of that is true. We have to negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world. You make out that joining the EU is a one way street - you are in and you can never leave. Now we can make decisions in the best interests of the country. If the EU sells more to the UK than the UK sells to the EU then the EU should be paying us for the benefit of such a deal. I dont see any reason why we would agree to free movement of labour in any trade deal. The TTIP agreement being made with the USA doesn't insist on free movement of labour between the EU and USA.
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If you think we're in the driving seat when it comes to negotiating with the EU you're crazy.
 
Julian Edelman said:
Which would have happened either way
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No chance, not to the extent of some of the elitist **** I've seen.

Quite ironic that those who insist on an all encompassing Europe think we should exclude those who are "uneducated", live on "council estates", are "bigots, "racists", "thick", "selfish" & even "old".
 
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MadridTiger said:
Agree completely. THe brexiters (according to the demographic) will ultimately be those that will suffer. The politicians who were overwhelmingly remain will now have to try and arrange something. So now remains have to arrange the mess the brexiters have voted us into. There are no positives.
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The remainers are the ones who have been in charge and got us into this mess we are in. It is now up to the .Brexiters to sort it out.
 
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MadridTiger said:
They took into account immigration and didn't really think about the rest
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Madrid, we've met, had a drink and spent a day at Wembley for the cup final in each other's company to say I'm disappointed in some of your comments is an understatement but given your location and situation highly understandable.

My dad voted to leave not because of immigration or because he's a bigot but because he's a 4th generation fruit farmer from East Kent.

Over the best part of his working life he's seen his industry crippled by the EU, the EU May not have been to blame as much as his own governments inability to make agriculture more competitive or more importantly value industries such as farming and fishing, but his vote was as far as he believed for a better chance - many had other reasons some may have been bigots but not all.

Me and brother voted in a different direction but we certainly don't bare any grudge towards him - we both watched him struggle throughout our childhoods and more importantly saw the sheer disappointment and sadness in his eyes when his sons told him they wouldn't be following in his and his families footsteps.

I'm not angry about the result I'm angry about the manner in which people have taken the result and lack of positivity about what, may, lay ahead.

For myself the path I took away from farming led me to a career where now I can have a positive impact on where we go next - luckily the doom and gloom coming from the EU doesn't resonate with with the work I've been doing for the last 8 years and I remain optimistic that in the long term a reasonable exit will be achieved.
 
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Castro's Coffin said:
Us? You are in Spain. They will be rather worried in Madrid that Scotland breaking away will give them ideas in Catalonia and the Basque Country.
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I spent some time in Southern Spain, Andalucia, around 8-9 years ago. Plenty of migrant workers with much more local racist mis-trust than I've ever witnessed here.

This bigot, & he is a bigot, is just looking out for himself as he may face consequences as a result of the result. Ironic considering his calls of selfishness.
 
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MadridTiger said:
Erme that was due to the reichstag fire. There was overwhelming pressure to make hitler chancellor. They were the largest party in Germany by far. Who voted for them?
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Germans voted for Hitler primarily because of his promises to revive the economy (by unspecified means), to restore German greatness and overturn the Treaty of Versailles, and to save Germany from communism.
(same link)
 
If you like it do it, if not don't. No need for vitriol. I agree it stands no chance though.
 
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