Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%

  • Total voters
    193
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Proper border controls in and out?

Bring it on !
Er, we already have those, we have to show passports when entering the UK, with the exception of the Irish/northern irish border which is subject to separate laws (Home Rule, Good Friday Agreement).
 
I don't think he did. I think it was a cynical position taken in the belief that Remain would win, but Cameron would be undermined enough for a leadership contest and Boris would have positioned himself as prime candidate for leadership of the Tory party.

Now it's a poisoned chalice, as whoever is leader has to negotiate us out of Europe and will end up being blamed by all sides. No-one will be satisfied with what we come out with - the Remainers who never wanted to leave in the first place and the Brexiters who do not get everything they thought they voted for.

Okay. You must be right. Boris threw the dice and lost. He always knew that the best way to replace Cameron was to campaign against him, then lose that campaign. All of this would impress the rank and file of the Conservative Party. Have you got any more amusing theories?
 
I've been trying to remember the times before all of this EU thing, 1970/71 when I travelled to Holland, Germany and Spain and all I can remember is that we had to show our passports at their immigration points, in the case of Germany we travelled by train from Rotterdam and there was a change of guard at the borders so it was show passports to the Dutch then German people. Then it was duty frees with only so much booze and cigs that could be taken home as they were cheaper, but today its totally different as the booze is as cheap here as it is there so we don't bother to bring any home now. As for cigs, well I'm a none smoker anyway so it doesn't bother me and what I did bring home was for other people, so in essence that is all I can remember pre-EU times, if that's the way to say it. There was still the E111 form, a piece of paper for medical stuff if you needed it and that was it.

Booze was a lot dearer in Holland and Germany than it was here in those days.our prices have gone up far more than theirs meaning prices are now similar. Though they have longer opening hours, waiter service and, in my opinion, many more pleasant, small bars. Only the duty free was cheap,,which is why there were such restrictions on it.
Of course you needed ID which we never thought about as you had to show your passport when registering so we didn't notice that requirement. Some people get in a lather about ID cards but it didn't impinge on freedoms in ?Europe. It would be useful when people are trying to hide their identities or access benefits and health services they are not entitled to. Which is of course why a lot of the people who are against them take that stance.
 
Okay. You must be right. Boris threw the dice and lost. He always knew that the best way to replace Cameron was to campaign against him, then lose that campaign. All of this would impress the rank and file of the Conservative Party. Have you got any more amusing theories?
Boris has shown absolutely no leadership since the result was announced - neither he nor Gove looked particularly happy at their press conference (compare to Nigel's demeanour) and all he's said regarding the plan for Brexit is "lets not be too hasty now". That to me is a man who was not entirely convinced of the position he took.
 
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I just found out that your Boris is an american born in New York. Sorry about that, you can send him back if you want I suppose.

The man is a multi ID ****.
One minute he's true blue Brit, the next he's the descendant of Turks.....what card he plays depends on who his audience is.
The only constant thing about him is his politics: pro Boris Johnson.
 
[QUOTE="Castro's Coffin, post: 9392559, member: 1018061] Maybe their followers were easily lead, lied to and deceived?[/QUOTE]

Led - it doesn't bother me, but I know you care. <hug>
 
You mean to say that not every MP wasn't elected with 100% of the vote!

Anyone who votes and doesn't know who the other candidates were or who got in doesn't deserve any further votes. Seems you are one of those who votes for a party because your dad did. And his dad before him...Who the candidates are being irrelevant. Explains how the likes of Prescott keep getting elected.

Not sure how you jumped to the conclusion about how I vote.

Had you caveated your statement with a reference to the mainstream candidates I'd agree with you, although I would certainly not advocate you to be a good judge of who is allowed to vote or be worthy of the vote, however the ballot paper can and will hold a lengthy list of candidates of which most voters will never of heard of due to the obscurity of the candidate and their manifesto.

You may of course be lucky enough to reside in a constituency where only two candidates stand in which case I forgive you for being a know nowt plonker.
 
You can wait on then.

I despise state communism as much as I do state capitalism.

Are you really as dim as you seem?

Direct democracy means no one in charge. No state. The examples you give were state dictatorships. But I doubt even then that their populations were as gullible, or as uninformed as you.

No gods, no state, no masters.... get it?

Good luck with running a system and providing housing, education, health services with no state. Who collects the taxes to provide these things? What if someone doesn't want to contribute in any way, financially or any other way?
Are you as dim as you seem? You should have been around in the sixties with all those other idiots who thought they could change the world by sitting around singing, strumming guitars and taking dope whilst spouting utter bollocks.
 
[QUOTE="Castro's Coffin, post: 9392559, member: 1018061] Maybe their followers were easily lead, lied to and deceived?

Led - it doesn't bother me, but I know you care. <hug>[/QUOTE]

I didn't like to mention it myself.

I know how seriously he takes simple errors and typos in others posts.
 
Boris has shown absolutely no leadership since the result was announced - neither he nor Gove looked particularly happy at their press conference (compare to Nigel's demeanour) and all he's said regarding the plan for Brexit is "lets not be too hasty now". That to me is a man who was not entirely convinced of the position he took.
The one who gets the job never shows their hand first.
 
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Boris has shown absolutely no leadership since the result was announced - neither he nor Gove looked particularly happy at their press conference (compare to Nigel's demeanour) and all he's said regarding the plan for Brexit is "lets not be too hasty now". That to me is a man who was not entirely convinced of the position he took.

Or a man with a political future, who understands there are challenges and opportunities. There were a few on this thread who threw the last minute dice - a few of them seem to have developed long term reasoning. It's really quite amusing.
 
Good luck with running a system and providing housing, education, health services with no state. Who collects the taxes to provide these things? What if someone doesn't want to contribute in any way, financially or any other way?
Are you as dim as you seem? You should have been around in the sixties with all those other idiots who thought they could change the world by sitting around singing, strumming guitars and taking dope whilst spouting utter bollocks.

:emoticon-0140-rofl:

I can understand how someone with your limited understanding must so desperately feel the need for an authority figure to govern every aspect of your life.

Is your minder on a day off?
 
Not sure how you jumped to the conclusion about how I vote.

Had you caveated your statement with a reference to the mainstream candidates I'd agree with you, although I would certainly not advocate you to be a good judge of who is allowed to vote or be worthy of the vote, however the ballot paper can and will hold a lengthy list of candidates of which most voters will never of heard of due to the obscurity of the candidate and their manifesto.

You may of course be lucky enough to reside in a constituency where only two candidates stand in which case I forgive you for being a know nowt plonker.

I didn't offer any thoughts on how you voted. I am not offering any thoughts on who is worthy of a vote. Test is something that a lot of those who regard themselves as superior and can't accept that people didn't vote the way their betters thought that they should have.
There are always a large number of candidates in my area. I can always remember who I voted for and who won, which aren't always the same. Something which seems beyond some know nowt plonkers on here.
 
Good luck with running a system and providing housing, education, health services with no state. Who collects the taxes to provide these things? What if someone doesn't want to contribute in any way, financially or any other way?
Are you as dim as you seem? You should have been around in the sixties with all those other idiots who thought they could change the world by sitting around singing, strumming guitars and taking dope whilst spouting utter bollocks.

I don't think any of us in the real world took any notice of those going to San Franscisco with flowers in their hair or others of that ilk, we had too much to deal with at ground level, y'know mortgages, even jobs, to worry about. As ever it was the pop culture who were mainly the protagonists of that movement, Lennon's bed in and the such in fact even though I wore hipsters and coloured shirts, and a with kipper ties, I still worked and paid my way even if I had a Kevin Keegan perm :)
 
Er, we already have those, we have to show passports when entering the UK, with the exception of the Irish/northern irish border which is subject to separate laws (Home Rule, Good Friday Agreement).

Great, it's reassuring to know that all visa-holders are counted out, there are no snide pazzys and no one gets smuggled in through lorries!

Phew ! Whatever was all that fuss about?
 
:emoticon-0140-rofl:

I can understand how someone with your limited understanding must so desperately feel the need for an authority figure to govern every aspect of your life.

Is your minder on a day off?

You aspire to having a limited understanding of things.

Maybe not doing anything whilst relying on others to look after you is your thing.
 
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