Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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Whilst we all have opinions, the educated and the allegedly uneducated, heated at times at that, this situation is unprecedented as we are the first to leave this European club and despite all the claims and counterclaims no one actually knows what it going to happen in the long term. What is certain is that we have stirred the pot of discontent that has been bubbling up for quite a while against the EU which has gone along undisturbed through it all, up to now. How it will all end up I haven't a clue, and I don't believe anyone else has at the moment no matter how educated or uneducated within the higher echelons or below it portray it. The only certainty is that the Conservatives are still in power, I don't think the calling of a general election is in the offering, despite Cameron's departure. Corbyn is not a credible alternative and for the moment its wait and see time, the Tory European infighting will not go away so that is another scenario that needs to be settled, likewise Labour/Lib Dems whatever. Interesting times indeed.
 
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originallambrettaman said:
We'll remain in the EU for at least two more years and even when we leave we'll be a member of the EU in some form, almost certainly on worse terms that we're on now.

We'll still be paying into the EU coffers, we'll still have to accept some free movement, I think many who voted out are going to find that what we end up with us not what they thought they were voting for.
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The scales falling off politicians eyes when it dawned on them how much they'd misunderstood the strength of feeling people had regarding how they're represented (or more accurately misrepresented) is a pretty decent reward to be going on with.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I've just seen a rerun of the interview. It seems reasonable to me. We'd have control, it wouldn't be freedom of movement, so we'd drop a fair bit of the maastricht agreements, such as the right to citizenship in other countries, which would leave us in the same position we have if we wanted to go to Oz or the US etc., but there would be options on the movement of labour.

There's still be trade agreements, and we'd still have to contribute financially.

For me, a big issue was control over decision making and the ability to vote against them.

It's not so much the measures, as the dynamic of who "controls" them. It's semantics, as we'd still be jumping through similar hoops, but we'd have a perception of sovereignty, even if in reality it's a bit of an illusion. It would feel like we are considered from a local level upwards, rather than being dictated to by the corporates that drive the EU.
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Sound reasonable, although it if that is his position now then it's effectively the start of a process of haggling...TWT where it ends up
 
petersaxton said:
1 I can't see that happening
2 No UK government will agree to any deal that involves allowing free movement between EU and UK.
3-5 The EU doesnt need all 27 countries to agree to trade deals.
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4... When the others vote to get out it will be them that are begging to deal with us...
5.... We actually don't have to invoke Article 50 at all. Today we could just say.. '**** you, we're out of here'
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I've just seen a rerun of the interview. It seems reasonable to me. We'd have control, it wouldn't be freedom of movement, so we'd drop a fair bit of the maastricht agreements, such as the right to citizenship in other countries, which would leave us in the same position we have if we wanted to go to Oz or the US etc., but there would be options on the movement of labour.

There's still be trade agreements, and we'd still have to contribute financially.

For me, a big issue was control over decision making and the ability to vote against them.

It's not so much the measures, as the dynamic of who "controls" them. It's semantics, as we'd still be jumping through similar hoops, but we'd have a perception of sovereignty, even if in reality it's a bit of an illusion. It would feel like we are considered from a local level upwards, rather than being dictated to by the corporates that drive the EU.
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If the conservatives were serous about building a 'listened to' party with someone who would ensure that in leaving we 'do get the best deal', Dan Hannah would be your man. Everything he has said throughout this whole campaign has been measured, considered and reassuring. We haven't heard of him because he's been an MEP but he should be on the front benches.
 
dennisboothstash said:
1 neither can I, I was only saying it's technically possible
2 I would agree, although some Brexiteers seem to be making sure people know it might be the case. Depends who is PM I suppose
3 Actually I don't think you're right on that. If the deal is part of Article 50 then all 27 other countries have to agree it, naturally we don't get a vote and aby one could veto it
4 I'm less sure about a trade deal that is outside of article 50, in the same way as the US trade deal with EU, I still think if would be a trade deal with the EU they'd all have to agree, but presumably you could negotiate separate deals with different deals with countries although it's been suggested that way is likely to be the most damaging to our economy (I don't know why)
5 that was linked to others leaving so isn't relevant yet anyway
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3 No http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36420148
 
dennisboothstash said:
Sound reasonable, although it if that is his position now then it's effectively the start of a process of haggling...TWT where it ends up
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The EU have had a massive wake up call. We've started a ball rolling that was due to fall at some point, so there was no "status quo" vote anyway. EU countries that try to punish us for highlighting it, only serve to reinforce the elitist view many across Europe hold of them.

We could well end up paying the price as a country, but as a region, I think it's for the better.
 
Fez said:
Okay, it's official. You are determined to take over Patty's role as the board clown. Total ****wit.
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Why has this pissed off so many people? It was just a social observation based on the people on my own social media newsfeed. At no point did I say it was representative of every voter, in fact I pointed that out in the post. If you've read that and categorised yourself and then taken offence, then **** off. Offence is taken not given, not my problem.

Also, why is it unbelievable that there's a chance people voted with their hearts instead of their head? People were told the EU was bad, so they voted to leave it. I would be willing to bet that on both sides there were people who voted without researching the proper facts.

I don't particularly care which way people voted, it's their right to choose and while the result wasn't the one I've voted for, I'm sure I'll learn to live with it. Donald Trump, Britain First and Nigel Farage all thought it was a good idea to leave so it's a small crumb of comfort that my vote would make these people deeply unhappy.
 
Happy Tiger said:
Who the **** is Andi? Sounds like a drag queen.

Gaylord.

I voted out. I'm also educated. And senior management. And well paid. And friends and family with all sorts of people of different origin. I've also in the past worked in kitchens, gardens and have worked ****ing hard to get where I am today.

I didn't vote based on immigration. Yes it was a factor, I want control back over who we can let in and who we can kick the **** out. It's also about the faceless, unelected, unaccountable Eurocrats, who dictate more to our lives than the Remainers would like to acknowledge. 4 presidents they have. 4 ffs. I'd hazard a guess that even our intellectually superior Sterling can tell us who they are without googling them.

It was a good idea at the start, with the best of intentions. It's been twisted and deformed into a horrible monster now that wanted to consume the whole of Europe, stripping nations of their right to self determination.

We've, once again, shown the world how to do the right thing. We've stopped this behemoth in it's tracks, other nations will now follow us and retrieve their dignity and the right to look after their own people.

I just wish the Remainers could show a little dignity and appreciation of what democracy actually means.
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It was more an expression of frustrated assertion than democracy. But your sentiment is sound. <ok>
 
petersaxton said:
3 No http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36420148
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Ah ok cheers
You're right.
It's the E parliament that has the veto, not an individual country ( in not sure what that means in practice tbh) but it does have to be negotiated with all 27 and agreed by a 'qualified majority' (another thing that I'm not sure about )

From your link
"Quitting the EU is not an automatic process - it has to be negotiated with the remaining 27 members and ultimately approved by them by qualified majority. These negotiations are meant to be completed within two years although many believe it will take much longer. The European Parliament has a veto over any new agreement formalising the relationship between the UK and the EU."
 
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