Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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petersaxton said:
I was born in 1952 and I was lucky to have been educated at Hull Grammar School before comprehensive education took hold. Grammar school education allowed people from working class backgrounds to reach their potential. Now people go from school to university and still end up in dead end jobs.
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This is even more true in England than it is in the US, unfortunately. After WWII, the powers-that-be in England recognized that they needed the best and brightest of the young generation in positions (in science and engineering, in particular) where they could maximize the speed of England's recovery from near-destruction (in Hull, in particular).
They brought in the grammarschools in which the brightest students (NOT the richest), selected via the 11+, competed with their equally bright peers for the best careers.
It worked very well, with bright kids from working-class backgrounds taking many of the best jobs from the "upper classes" who, until then, had automatically inherited those jobs despite their general inability to perform them effectively. The same is still true of England's "top" politicians, predominantly from the Eton-and-Harrow brigade of incompetent chinless wonders.
Once their mission was complete, one generation later, the grammar school system was abruptly (and without consultation of the hoi-polloi) cast aside in favour of "comprehensive" education, specifically designed to dumb-down the general population, which it has achieved in spectacular fashion.
So now, the best (most expensive) education resources, and therefore the best (paying) jobs, are safely back in the hands of the chinless powers-that-be. And, as George Carlin so accurately spelled out above, very few of the plebs are even aware of it.
 
petersaxton said:
I was born in 1952 and I was lucky to have been educated at Hull Grammar School before comprehensive education took hold. Grammar school education allowed people from working class backgrounds to reach their potential. Now people go from school to university and still end up in dead end jobs.
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Born in 1938 I followed the same route via Riley High, becoming the first family member to have a university education. IQ was above average complimented by an excellent memory.
 
Bengals Tiger said:
Oh, dear! My own IQ (by two different measures) was established in the early 1960s as WELL above average. You wouldn't believe the number if I told you, and I won't. My father was a painter and decorator. His education was denied by the advent of WWII. Fortunately, I was in the right place at the right time, and had a wonderful (free) education (in Hull) in the short-lived selective grammar-school system. (See some of my earlier posts on this topic in the last couple of days.)
You really seem to have a very large chip on your shoulder about something, but I can't quite figure out what it's about. Did you miss out on a proper education because you were born after 1952?
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A genius who's had a brilliant education, yet you regularly come across as a grade one prick on here.
 
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Mr. Hat said:
You seriously underestimate the sheer ignorance, naievity and in some cases absolute stupidity of a hell of a lot of people.
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As the vote was close to 50/50...it may be concluded that everyone falls into that category, given the distinct lack of convincing argument/evidence/facts of substance from both sides.
 
Britain should seize the moment and be the founding member of a new grouping of European countries with free trade at its core. Other countries who are also rejecting the idea of a united states of Europe would be sure to want to join.

It could be called the E.E.C.
 
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Wade Wilson said:
I was more upset by Obadiahs implied response that this result was just one big test for the youth, to see if they can fight like the old generation could.
Which would be an appalling reason to vote leave.


I hope you are right. But right now, the youth is upset. They won't see it as an opportunity gifted by the saviours that are the Brexiteers. In fairness no generation can usually see clearly in the present (apart from the war days). Hindsight usually plays a huge part when it comes to recognition of the previous generation but nevertheless, right now it feels like the older generation finally got their moment to shove it up the establishment and the younger generation will have to deal with whatever is to come all for the sake of rather petty reasoning.

Was this really the only way to go about it? this is certainly no tianamen square moment.
I can understand shaking things up but I'm incredibly upset by how little reversibility this decision has.

I've gained greatly from the EU, so I'm really not an objective representative of the remain camp but I can tell you it has really upset me. More than any remain result would have ever upset any Brexiteers or their lives.

I don't expect many to care though, this was a very selfish referendum.
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I apologise for upsetting you, it wasn't my intention. I voted to leave because the EU is an undemocratic organisation run in the interests of big business, primarily the big business interests of Germany, France and, ironically, the UK. It ran roughshod over the workers of Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Greece at the behest of the bankers of Germany and the UK. Membership hasn't stopped the cuts to services in this country, the attacks on trade unions rights, pensions, free education or the NHS. All of which Airlie Tiger's post implied I'd given away by voting to leave. Despite what he implied all those rights and benefits had been won, often against vicious opposition, by previous generations.

My sole intention was to show that if you want something you have to do something to try and change things. No one will do it for you. If people want decent housing for rent building half a million council houses would be a start. Council's can borrow the money and pay the banks back from the rents collected. Nobody is going to do that unless there are campaigns to demand it.

Despite voting leave I know injustice will continue and young people will still get a raw deal. That is until enough of you get together and say we've had enough and do something concrete about it. I will still do everything I can to help but the majority of my days are behind me.
 
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Bengals Tiger said:
Oh, dear! My own IQ (by two different measures) was established in the early 1960s as WELL above average. You wouldn't believe the number if I told you, and I won't. My father was a painter and decorator. His education was denied by the advent of WWII. Fortunately, I was in the right place at the right time, and had a wonderful (free) education (in Hull) in the short-lived selective grammar-school system. (See some of my earlier posts on this topic in the last couple of days.)
You really seem to have a very large chip on your shoulder about something, but I can't quite figure out what it's about. Did you miss out on a proper education because you were born after 1952?
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You sir, are certainly quite something, by any measure.
 
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Hull City AFC (GLP) said:
Sorry, but what you have written is utter ****ing bollocks. I have a degree, I'm a higher rate tax payer and I voted leave.

Many people from a variety of higher socio economic groups voted leave. I'd say that 90% of the people I know voted leave from Company directors to business entrepreneurs.

I can't believe the ****e some people write.
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Frightening to think that he is in a job where you can influence young minds. He at least will be in tune with them as he doesn't appear to have matured yet.
 
tigerscanada said:
As the vote was close to 50/50...it may be concluded that everyone falls into that category, given the distinct lack of convincing argument/evidence/facts of substance from both sides.
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There was very little evidence or facts that could be used. The main arguments were about sovereignty and potential immigration. Gisela Stuart mentioned the "£350m per week" and said: "If it was my choice I would spend that on the NHS." Gisela Stuart is a Labour politician so would have no say - at the present time - on how it is spend. That didn't stop plenty of people making out the the Leave people were lying.
 
Now that we have disobeyed our owners they will attempt to punish us like a disobedient dog. Hold on tight, strap in and go with the ride. Hopefully in the long run it will be worth it.
 
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