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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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BrAdY said:
a question i have not seen answered yet..

what does this mean to uk workers going to work in eu countries?
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If you voted leave, you are seriously taking the piss asking this now.
You clearly didn't give a **** about them before, why should you now?
 
BrAdY said:
no, i would love to live in another european country but that has absolutely nothing to do with boris as pm

boris as a pm is a disaster and it's my only regret voting leave

because cameron is my most favourite pm of my lifetime
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were you born after margaret thatcher left office?
 
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BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR said:
Went on a 2 year contract to work for a giant South African company jointly owned 50% by Anglo American and ICI . Huge career opportunity in my industry(Plastics) and a chance to see other countries in Africa. Met my wife of now 48 years there. She is a member of the Australian Labor Party.
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Still can't get my head round a commie going to SA in the 60's. And for a giant company. Now settled in one of the most racist countries in the world?

Always to the far left of the political spectrum? I bet you've spent a lot of time in jail then.
 
petersaxton said:
Boris Johnson won scholarships to study at Eton and Oxford.
Michael Gove was adopted at four months old and went to a state school until he wont a scholarship to an independent school.
They both go 2:1s from Oxford
Winning these kinds of scholarships and degrees is not usually a sign of lack of intelligence.
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You're conflating education with intelligence.

A common error.
 
petersaxton said:
Researching both arguments? Are you being serious? Is there some body of research which will enable people to decide how to vote?
For me the big issues were sovereignty and immigration. I never believed anybody who told us what the situation would be in 2030.
One of the big problems with the country has been a lack of education. People have been to university and don't know how to work out 10% without using a calculator. All these people who get "educated" end up working in shops or fast food outlets.
If you judge whether something is a good idea by whether one person agrees with it or not then that shows the weakness in your own thought processes.
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I hope some of the young 'uns on here take a few minutes from reading their "philosophy" books to try and understand what you've stated so eloquently here. It's so true, as those with any real-life experience know well. But no doubt we'll get another load of girly squeals and quotations from no-life foreign experts. Strangely, none of them quotes the philosopher Bertrand Russell, who was also a rather good mathematician. But apparently, that doesn't seem to count. Anarchy Rules, ok?
 
Old Tige said:
Please don't blame us all.

Even before this fiasco I was already ashamed of the legacy my generation was leaving for my own children and grandchildren.

My parents and granddads generations fought hard and made many sacrifices to make the gains my generation benefited from. But it has all been thrown away in the past 30 years.

All I can say is that many of us have resisted and fought back but the global rise of neoliberal capitalism had all the advantages and has increased it's stranglehold by buying many off and crushing many others.

All is not lost though. The inevitable chaos which will arise from the installation of these far right loons will offer plenty of opportunities. It's going to be a painful and probably bloody fight but it could be turned into a blessing in disguise.

Not much consolation to our youngsters right now but this could just be the kick up the are the UK working class needed to again mobilise and overturn this tide of mass exploitation and abuse for ever.

While there is little doubt that racism and good old blighty imperialistic nostalgia had a large part to play in this surrender to the right, I don't believe it was the biggest factor for many of the votes.

It was also a mass protest against the increasing neglect of the needs and desires of ordinary people by the establishments political mouthpieces. It will soon become apparent that their needs and desires will no more be addressed by the new order any more than it was by the old.

Hopefully the rejection of such state abuse of it's own people and the awareness of their own power will not just dissipate and will be the springboard to real change and new demands for social justice.

In the meantime, I can only apologise for the lack of opportunities and the depressing state of our current society which we have left you as your legacy. Some of us have fought extremely hard, but yes we have failed our youth. Sorry.

But the fight will go on.
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Excellent post.

I was more upset by Obadiahs implied response that this result was just one big test for the youth, to see if they can fight like the old generation could.
Which would be an appalling reason to vote leave.


I hope you are right. But right now, the youth is upset. They won't see it as an opportunity gifted by the saviours that are the Brexiteers. In fairness no generation can usually see clearly in the present (apart from the war days). Hindsight usually plays a huge part when it comes to recognition of the previous generation but nevertheless, right now it feels like the older generation finally got their moment to shove it up the establishment and the younger generation will have to deal with whatever is to come all for the sake of rather petty reasoning.

Was this really the only way to go about it? this is certainly no tianamen square moment.
I can understand shaking things up but I'm incredibly upset by how little reversibility this decision has.

I've gained greatly from the EU, so I'm really not an objective representative of the remain camp but I can tell you it has really upset me. More than any remain result would have ever upset any Brexiteers or their lives.

I don't expect many to care though, this was a very selfish referendum.
 
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petersaxton said:
I dont think you are understanding the process of winning scholarships and getting a degree from a top university. I think you will find both Johnson and Gove have high IQs.
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I understand that process very well.

Those IQ's measured no doubt by tests devised and administered by other recipients of privileged education who I am sure would (coincidentally?) themselves have scored equally highly.
 
Old Tige said:
I understand that process very well.

Those IQ's measured no doubt by tests devised and administered by other recipients of privileged education who I am sure would (coincidentally?) themselves have scored equally highly.
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Have you taken an IQ test?
 
Why do you ask?

Is it because if it were not up to your standard it would allow you to easily dismiss my opinion as worthless without any resort to reason?

I don't feel any need or inclination to produce any credentials to you.
 
Old Tige said:
Always to the far left of the political spectrum? I bet you've spent a lot of time in jail then.
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Only about 2 hours or so in Brixton Jail in 1965 after I had met up with an old classmate from Hull who having been to university joined the prison service in London. Showed me round and the lunch there was excellent.
 
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Old Tige said:
I understand that process very well.

Those IQ's measured no doubt by tests devised and administered by other recipients of privileged education who I am sure would (coincidentally?) themselves have scored equally highly.
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Oh, dear! My own IQ (by two different measures) was established in the early 1960s as WELL above average. You wouldn't believe the number if I told you, and I won't. My father was a painter and decorator. His education was denied by the advent of WWII. Fortunately, I was in the right place at the right time, and had a wonderful (free) education (in Hull) in the short-lived selective grammar-school system. (See some of my earlier posts on this topic in the last couple of days.)
You really seem to have a very large chip on your shoulder about something, but I can't quite figure out what it's about. Did you miss out on a proper education because you were born after 1952?
 
Old Tige said:
Why do you ask?

Is it because if it were not up to your standard it would allow you to easily dismiss my opinion as worthless without any resort to reason?

I don't feel any need or inclination to produce any credentials to you.
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Very interesting response.
We were discussing IQ tests so I was wondering if you had taken a genuine IQ test to see if you knew how they were constructed.
Instead you seemed scared to answer my question and gave the impression that you had taken an IQ test and was ashamed of your score.
You shouldnt be ashamed of your score. Many people have a low IQ and go on to have a fulfilling life.
 
Bengals Tiger said:
Oh, dear! My own IQ (by two different measures) was established in the early 1960s as WELL above average. You wouldn't believe the number if I told you, and I won't. My father was a painter and decorator. His education was denied by the advent of WWII. Fortunately, I was in the right place at the right time, and had a wonderful (free) education (in Hull) in the short-lived selective grammar-school system. (See some of my earlier posts on this topic in the last couple of days.)
You really seem to have a very large chip on your shoulder about something, but I can't quite figure out what it's about. Did you miss out on a proper education because you were born after 1952?
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I was born in 1952 and I was lucky to have been educated at Hull Grammar School before comprehensive education took hold. Grammar school education allowed people from working class backgrounds to reach their potential. Now people go from school to university and still end up in dead end jobs.
 
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