Off Topic BREXIT

[DMD]

Well thats a turn up for the books.
Daryll Hannah one of the main leave campaigners has just said on newsnight that they want free movement of labour in europe and the UK.

I've just seen a rerun of the interview. It seems reasonable to me. We'd have control, it wouldn't be freedom of movement, so we'd drop a fair bit of the maastricht agreements, such as the right to citizenship in other countries, which would leave us in the same position we have if we wanted to go to Oz or the US etc., but there would be options on the movement of labour.

There's still be trade agreements, and we'd still have to contribute financially.

For me, a big issue was control over decision making and the ability to vote against them.

It's not so much the measures, as the dynamic of who "controls" them. It's semantics, as we'd still be jumping through similar hoops, but we'd have a perception of sovereignty, even if in reality it's a bit of an illusion. It would feel like we are considered from a local level upwards, rather than being dictated to by the corporates that drive the EU.

 

[petersaxton]

Never took you for a racist fascist ****, happy. I'm disappointed in you.

Where did he say that?

 

[petersaxton]

If that complete **** gets anywhere near Downing Street i'm gonna top me sen.

feel free

 

[petersaxton]

The EU/Germans didn't seem to give an fcuk until a few days before it, and then there were just threats so maybe they shouldn't be surprised.

The EU felt they could say we were stuck with it and they thought enough morons were scared of not doing anything to change things. They were wrong.

 

[Mrs. BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR]

Ive never voted Tory in my life.

Neither have I and never will.

 

[petersaxton]

I've voted Conservative at every general election after 1974.

 

[BrAdY]

I've voted Conservative at every general election after 1974.

i DO NOT want boris johnson as pm though

i wish cameron didn't resign..

 

[petersaxton]

i DO NOT want boris johnson as pm though

i wish cameron didn't resign..

Cameron had to resign given the referendum result.
I would prefer Gove.

 

[Mrs. BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR]

I've voted Conservative at every general election after 1974.

Always been at the far left of the political spectrum. Was a student member of the Communist Party for a post graduate year in London in 59/60 but gave it away after considering full membership.
Lucky in a way as a list of Communist Party members were given to embassies by British Intelligence and I would have been refused admission to South Africa and Australia if found to be on such a list. I left for South Africa in 1966.

 

[Old Tige]

Always been at the far left of the political spectrum. Was a student member of the Communist Party for a post graduate year in London in 59/60 but gave it away after considering full membership.
Lucky in a way as a list of Communist Party members were given to embassies by British Intelligence and I would have been refused admission to South Africa and Australia if found to be on such a list. I left for South Africa in 1966.

Curiosity got the better of me and I have to ask...

Why would a far left, lapsed communist go to SA in 1966? Just a year after the setting up of the boycott movement?

 

[petersaxton]

I have started to watch last night's Newsnight. It's very shocking to see how stupid the political classes can be. Jonathan Powell, on our negotiations with the EU, said: "Are we going to be Norway? Are we going to be Canada?" The answers to those questions are: "No, we are going to be the UK."

 

[Old Tige]

I have started to watch last night's Newsnight. It's very shocking to see how stupid the political classes can be.

No doubt about that.but Johnson, Farage and Gove are hardly likely to raise the bar though are they,

 

[BrAdY]

Cameron had to resign given the referendum result.
I would prefer Gove.

he didn't

he's my Favourite by far

i couldn't imagine a boris johnson pm. it's literally my worst dream..

I'm really worried about the protected status that the eu offered in all sorts of confinements.. workers.enviroment..consumer etc.. i do not want a johnson pm

 

[BrAdY]

a question i have not seen answered yet..

what does this mean to uk workers going to work in eu countries?

 

[petersaxton]

No doubt about that.but Johnson, Farage and Gove are hardly likely to raise the bar though are they,

Johnson and Gove are both very intelligent.

 

[Old Tige]

a question i have not seen answered yet..

what does this mean to uk workers going to work in eu countries?

This sort of detail will all be thrashed out in the negotiations over the next two years.

There are 1.22 million already out there.

 

[petersaxton]

he didn't

he's my Favourite by far

i couldn't imagine a boris johnson pm. it's literally my worst dream..

I'm really worried about the protected status that the eu offered in all sorts of confinements.. workers.enviroment..consumer etc.. i do not want a johnson pm

So you think we should have trusted Cameron to negotiate a deal with the EU about our relationship with the EU after we leave although his opinion is he got a good deal before the referendum and we should have stayed in? That is wrong in every way possible.

 

[petersaxton]

a question i have not seen answered yet..

what does this mean to uk workers going to work in eu countries?

That depends on our future relationship with the EU. The UK has to make a deal with the EU.

 

[Wade Wilson]

You and your generation voted, a welcome first step but it is only a first step. If you want a future voting isn't enough. You need to decide what you want and organise to get it. You have to put up with the setbacks and carry on through the bad times as well as the good. That would be true whether we are in the EU or out of it. I've seen rights my parents and grandparents politically fought for taken away from young people over the past four decades and your generation have more or less accepted it.

How many demonstrations in Hull have been organised for decent and affordable housing for young people? Same for jobs? What about the right to get benefits if you're 16 and unemployed? Same for zero hour contracts and apprenticeships with a guaranteed job at the end of it. If you want a decent world you have to organise and campaign for it, not just vote. If you do that you may find people you can elect that will stand up for your future and mean it. Most of them, hopefully, will be a lot younger than me.

So this was just one big life lesson for you OAPs to give us young ones? Or you're just trying to justify a selfish dick move that has put up the next generations future up in the air?

 

[BrAdY]

So you think we should have trusted Cameron to negotiate a deal with the EU about our relationship with the EU after we leave although his opinion is he got a good deal before the referendum and we should have stayed in? That is wrong in every way possible.

yes.

in my honest opinion

boris johnson would be a disaster.